[identity profile] clauderainsrm.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] therealljidol
Wow, ok, when you people have opinions you have OPINIONS!!!*G*

So much to discuss here and I hope I don't miss anything.

I'm actually a little hestitant to address any of it, because so much of it comes down to "how so and so is playing the game" and that is just so very personalized. Honestly? If someone is playing a game that involves insulting other people (or making them feel insulted at the very least) it could just be who they are, but in the context of Idol, it's how they are playing the game. IMO it's not the smartest way to go, but it may be the most true to who they are, and thus I am extremely hestitant to point any fingers or step in by taking them aside and going "dude, you need to maybe take it down a notch." Who am I talking about? Quite a few people actually. Some of whom think that the people didn't see a filtered post, but people talk, and I think it's always a good bet, regardless of how private you think something is, to assume that if you put it out there, it's out there.

Pretty much all of the things I've read/heard/seen smoke signals about in posts, emails, phone calls and of course the above mentioned smoke signals are boiled down to playing the game.

Not from a personal level of course, but from a game perspective, which is ultimately, the only thing I can really talk about and/or do anything about.

If someone messes with you to the point that it rattles you - what has happened? They have managed to get ahead of one more person. Is this their ultimate intent? Who knows. I certainly don't. Maybe they just don't like you. Maybe you don't like them. People don't like everyone, and sometimes that person they don't like is you.

There are plenty of people *I* don't like. Heck, I'm on that list somedays!*g*

Not everyone has to get along to play against each other. In fact, one of the most interesting rounds was settled back in Season 1 by ONE VOTE from people who really couldn't stand each other's writing at all. That was pretty intense. But it did teach me a valuable lesson, which is good for someone like myself who wants everyone to be all happy and like each other - sometimes that just isn't going to be the case, and for the sake of the game, you sometimes just have to put that aside and just ignore them the best you can. "The game" - heck, I'm quite sure there are people most of you work with/go to school with/are related to that you can't stand. The same applies here really.

That personal aspect aside, let's get into the tribes.

Most people seem to understand this, but some don't - so let's take a look.

The new tribes are entirely based on 1 and half weeks of voting. It no longer matters who has what sized friends list, and yes, it no longer matters who thinks who is the better writer. Tribe 4 are NOT "the best writers in the competition". Tribe 1 are NOT "the worst writers in the competition". What they are, quite frankly is the people who got the most votes. In the perfect world, would the people with the "best writing" get the most votes. Sure, but I can GUARANTEE YOU that you and I do not agree on who the "best writers" are in this competition. If I had money, and was prone to gambling, I'd put some serious cash on that. Who's right? Well I am.*g*

Seriously though, it is such a very, very subjective matter. What it comes down to is vote for what you like, and don't vote for what you don't like.

Hopefully people will get what I mean when I use this example:

You read a book. It's the best damn book you have ever read. It's not on the best seller list, it's not by some household name. Maybe it's a first time writer or just kind of obscure. Do you sit around and complain that this great writer isn't getting the attention they deserve? Just sit there and shake your head at a world that is too "ignornant to get it". OR, do you tell your friends about this book? Do you get them a copy or lend out yours to spread the world? Do you get them to tell THEIR friends.

Every last person on the best seller list had something that the people not on there lacked, and it's sure not talent. They had someone who believed in them enough that they did some networking for them, to put them in the right place, and with the right people to succeed. They got them in the right bookstores and got the right people who make the decisions talking about them. Anyone who's ever played on that level knows that it's a networking game, and often times it comes down to a luck game. Who can put the right ball into the air at the right time so that it ends up on the right person's desk.

It comes down to two kinds of people, IMO, those who would complain about the unfairness of the world, and those who actually do something about it to the best of their ability. The world itself is pretty darn big and complex. As it applies to this game though, it's wonderfully simplistic.

If you like something. If you think Person A should go further than Person B, then get them the votes they need to do that.

It's not a complex mystery. Support the contestants you like. Don't support the ones that you don't.

You break down each and every issue and it really comes down to that. Someone ticks you off, the ultimate "pay back" is not voting for them if you think their entry doesn't actually deserve one. If you don't like the person but think "wow, the entry was really good/interesting/thought-provoking even if I didn't agree with it" then that's even better since it means you are thinking things through and not just reacting from an emotional basis. But really, emotions play into every aspect of life and every single game, including this one.

But in Idol, like life, you get what you put into it. If you bring the negative emotions into it, that's what you are going to get out of your game.
If you manage to stay focused though, and not let anyone rattle you, you have a good chance of making it further into this game than you originally imagined was possible.

Honestly, and I probably shouldn't actually say this one out loud, but I think most people are smart enough to have figured it out already, or they will - people in the lower tribes actually have a better shot because they have more of a chance to survive on sheer talent without the worry of being overwhelmed. It's fairly equal "talent wise" IMO but just on that one issue of surviving one more week...which is all that anyone can ulimately do, the "lower numbered tribes" gives people who might have the talent but not the numbers, a chance to build themselves up, and hone their skills of getting that attention they deserve. It's a second chance, and a way to avoid just being picked off in a numbers game in the "higher numbered tribes". Plus, and I designed it this one, the people with lower vote totals are TRIBE 1. Why? Because that means people see their names first, and get more of a chance to read their entries as they are scrolling down the poll. There's less of a chance of getting "lost in the shuffle" and more of a chance of getting the support they need.

Let's see, what else? I saw someone say that the best writer didn't always win the season and that's what they didn't like... I point to the above. If you don't want someone to win, don't vote for them. If enough people agree with you, then they won't. I'd argue vehemently that we've had 3 seasons and 3 of the most incredible writers, and people, that I can imagine won them. "Best" is always a subjective opinion. But I'm going to go with a frequently quoted line on most reality show fan sites, which is that the person who wins is the person who deserved to win. Why? Because they were able to win and the sheer act of coming up with a way to do that is remarkable in and of itself.

There was also apparently was a comment somewhere about my taking people's suggestions for how to make the game better. I do listen. If it's an idea that I think will work, I impliment it. Almost never the way the person gave it to me, but that's because what they might think "man, this is great" when placed in the context of the game, it just doesn't quite work. The balance here is very important and pretty much every single idea that has ever been proposed - thus far - hasn't had that "right balance" to me that drives things forward, keeps things fun, and most importantly keeps things as "non subjective" as I can make a concept literally riddled with the prospect of subjectivity. Most of the ideas I've gotten over the years aren't "bad", they just don't work for the contest. They might work very well for something else, but this isn't "something else", this is LJ Idol, and at the end of the day I think it's worth all of the headaches and bumps in the road, some that might seem to be mountains and valleys at the time but ulimately, like most challenges, find a way to smooth themselves out.


I think that covers pretty much everything. It's nothing I haven't said before, and it's nothing I won't say again. But if you know of something I missed (again, I didn't go into specifics, because if you don't know what I'm talking about it's a good thing, and of course "want to trade?"*g* but I think most of the things out there fall into one of those categories.) please let me know via email clauderainsrm@gmail.com or clauderains@rocketmail.com (I probably check gmail more these days) and I'll look into it and address it.
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Date: 2007-12-09 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spydielives.livejournal.com
Thank you.

[wishes she had an applause icon for the umpteenth time]

[For those in the know, when should I post the "tribute" ?]

**ETA: DAYUM - First comment too?? Must be a slow news day**
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Date: 2007-12-09 05:56 pm (UTC)
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...or everyone's just hungover. *looks down at floor and mumbles something about "...damn wine..."*

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Date: 2007-12-09 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lttledvl.livejournal.com
I agree with everything you said, Gary. I tip my hat to you. As I told another ljidol contestant, I'm not here to become Ms. Popularity (personally I abhor such things) I came for the opinions. Both my own and that of other people.

There are a lot of creative writers here but for me it all comes down to one thing, the strength of their convinctions and their willingness to stand behind them. I don't care how an entry is written; it could a beautifully crafted poem or flowing prose, if it doesn't strike a cord in me, if it doesn't make me feel in some way, then it holds nothing for me than a series of pretty words.

Yes, in the end, LJIdol is one massive popularity contest. That can't be avoided. Hopefully people will come to view it not as a contest of 'who's better than who' but as a chance to better themselves and gain a more open-mind of the world around them. And that's why I'm here.

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From: [personal profile] hopefulnebula
For what it's worth, I don't think anything can be completely fair, but changing it up every few weeks helps with that. I like your system. :)

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Date: 2007-12-09 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toonhead.livejournal.com
It's like I said before, I'm still amazed and quite pleased to still be in this after 5 weeks, I wasn't sure about that. I don't think what tribe you're in really matters much, at least it doesn't to me. I've always been a bit weird about my writing, but enough people told me that I was good that I decided to just put it out there and let y'all decide for yourselves wether I'm good or not. *G*
I'm in this because it's fun. This has actually helped me to write more and not just assume that what I think doesn't matter, or that my opinion on something doesn't count. Cause I know it does. So being in this has helped a lot.

Date: 2007-12-09 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com
Well thought out and well written. It is a game and needs to be treated as such. I don't slag people. I learned early in my career in the theater that that sort of stuff tends to come back and bite you majorly on the tuckus. But if I don't say anything it doesn't mean I didn't like what I read either. Time is an illusion to keep everything from happening at once.

So when are you going to enter under a sockpuppet Gary? hee-hee-hee

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Date: 2007-12-09 05:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fidget
Deep down, I'm a nice person. I'll do anything for anybody. But when I'm angry with somebody, my ire never rests. Yes, I'm one of those types. A thing that gets me to that point is when I feel that I've been betrayed on some level, and that has happened to me more times than I'd like to recount.

I exude a type of malcontent. I am often cold, distant, and often come off as insultingly condescending to people whom I don't really know. Call it a defense mechanism, something to test the waters, or something like that. I don't like being taken advantage of, and I feel that if somebody can weather my aloofness at first, then they really want to be my friend.

Why I bring this up: There have been many LJ Idol entries which I have not liked. I'm obsessed with grammar, so if something isn't well-written, it makes me say "I don't care about the subject matter. This just plain sucks." And I could comment with that, but what would that accomplish? I've just attacked a total stranger and made them feel badly about themselves for no good reason. There's no point to it, as I'm not trying to gage a reaction. Nobody wins in that type of game. So, I choose not to comment at all.

For instance, this week I decided not to participate at all. Not only was I uncomfortable with the subject material, but I was having a horrible week. As in, awash in the throes of depression and despair and oh-I-hate-my-life and not wanting to live and all of that. It would have been so easy for me to blow off some steam by going around to all the contestants I didn't like, to all the entries with which I found a moral discrepancy, and said "Oh, hey, you're a terrible writer!" or "Hello, whorepants!" or, I don't know, something along those lines. Since I didn't trust myself to not come off as being somewhat abrasive (even when I truly wasn't trying to be), I simply withdrew from the temptation completely.

Of course, there's that whole issue that I never know how to comment to people's entries in the first place without fearing that I'm sounding completely stupid, anyway, but that's another issue entirely.

Despite my original misgivings that it's just a dumb popularity contest, I signed up for LJ Idol because I wanted to be challenged. I know I won't win, but at least I get the chance to see how well I can do with deadlines and assignments. I'm sure that's why most others are here, too. However, I cannot fathom why the hell somebody would want to cause drama. I mean...well, I can't think of any other way to put this than who cares! Is your life that shallow and devoid of meaning that you have to stir up shit on a silly LJ contest that has absolutely no bearing on reality whatsoever? Tribes were changed. Whoop-de-crap! The ice age isn't coming, the sun's not zooming in, meltdown's not expected, the wheat has not grown thin, and London is not drowning. Or, for those of you not familiar with Clash lyrics, the world isn't ending because of it. Grow up. Find a hobby. And, most importantly, shut the fuck up.

Maybe this comment is too lengthy and wholly out of line because I'm finally blowing off some of that aforementioned steam. That very well could be the case. But the point I'm trying to make (I think) is that not only is unnecessary drama entirely lame, but it only proves how boring of a person you are to perpetuate it. And I, for one, won't tolerate it. A writing forum is not the place for that kind of garbage. And if I catch you at it, prepare yourself for a verbal asskicking. Because I'm nice like that and doing it for your own good.

Date: 2007-12-09 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twystedpixie.livejournal.com
I actually read all of that.

While I don't have your intensity of invective to spew, I do agree it's sad that there are people who would take this heretofore friendly, encouraging competition and shite all over it. I do get that not everyone will like everyone else's writing. Hell, there have been a few entries I've read and have thought, "Enh...not so much". But there's a way to go about commenting on someone's entry, their writing, with leaving your negative thoughts about them as a person at the door. A little bit of tact goes a long way...maybe people just need a nudge to be reminded of this.

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Huh?

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I'm a loser, too! Can I play?

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Date: 2007-12-09 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twystedpixie.livejournal.com
That was, quite frankly, the most well-mannered, kindest "rant" in the world, Gary. :D Please, feel free to trade places with my boyfriend when he has his panties in a twist about something I've done. :D

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Date: 2007-12-09 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dedamona.livejournal.com
at this point, i'm just thrilled to still be in the game. i have only requested votes from my f-list once or twice. they're busy people and i made the decision that other than on close weeks, i would stand on my own laurels. i don't pimp myself out or my entry. i don't make a lot of noise. i'm one of those people that prefers to have people make their own choices without my influence in the matter. thus why i'm half amazed that i'm still around.

of course, the fact that, due to family issues, i had to take byes two weeks in a row....yeah, that one may be part of why i'm still around. i don't know.

i'm in this contest because i love to write. i don't do it for winning. i don't do it for votes. i do it because i just want to write and it's nice to be in broader forum where it can be shared with others. if i get past another round, great, but if i don't, that's ok too. for me, it's not about winning a contest. it's about expressing myself and having the pleasure of other people being interested enough to read. i don't care what tribe i'm in or why. i just want to write.

it's a writing contest. those who are all up in arms over a voting process aren't understanding what this whole contest is about. it's not about the size of your f-list or how much attention you get via commenting in the green room. it's about writing, pure and simple. for me, the whole issue is nothing more than the tempest in the tea pot.

Date: 2007-12-09 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twystedpixie.livejournal.com
I admit I was a bit thrown about being placed in Tribe 1 at first, but I think that was more a guilty feeling on my part for already having taken my two byes. But after, oh, an entire five minutes, I realized what the tribe switcheroo was all about, and thought, "Hey, that's a kind of cool idea. I wonder how this will affect things? Wheeeee!"

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Date: 2007-12-09 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puppybraille.livejournal.com
I like your comparison to the publishing world, it's very true. And from my experience, word of mouth is the best way to go, but as I've only sold a few (more than 50 less than 100), I am not sure how much that experience is worth :)

I tend to see this as a way to push me to write more about other things I wouldn't write about (this week's topic is something I wouldn't have written about, for example). You do your best and have fun.

Date: 2007-12-09 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kindapoetry.livejournal.com
is it a good thing or a bad thing that i have absolutely no idea what you are on about? so confused...

Date: 2007-12-09 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twystedpixie.livejournal.com
I have only the foggiest, but I'm sure most people could figure it out. :)

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Date: 2007-12-09 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] welfy.livejournal.com
I don't think it is a "popularity" contest so much. I had no friends in the community last season and I didn't do so hot during the "community-only" votes. I felt like people hated me and I worried that people within the community refused to vote for me because "oh, she has a big friends list, she doesn't need my help." I even had one friend of mine refuse to vote for me because he wanted me to "be knocked down a notch" (whaaaat?) and another person in the LJ Idol green room pretty much praised all the contestants but me (I know this because when it got down to like, the top five, the person mentioned everyone by name but me...really irked me!). So it was tough for me, and I'm sure it's been tough for other people too, ESPECIALLY those with the "stigma" of having a big list. (At least within the community) It's really difficult to have a totally fair voting audience.

I WAS blessed with a big friends list who not only liked my writing but they supported me in the contest. And, eventually, people in the community seemed to like me, too, but I had to work hard to write well enough to deserve it. The weeks I wrote mediocre posts, I didn't even ask my friends to vote for me. I'm just glad for the opportunities I had to write about challenging things and to make good friends.

P.S. I'm sad to see that [livejournal.com profile] naamaire has deleted his journal. :^( I've been voting for him every week and I hate that he's gone.

Date: 2007-12-09 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twystedpixie.livejournal.com
Yeah...I've noticed a few people were wondering about him. It's a shame.

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Date: 2007-12-09 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] porcelain72.livejournal.com
And that's why I tend to stay out of stuff like this. None of it has a damn thing to do with writing, and everything to do with people who aren't happy unless they're feeling mistreated or persecuted.

I've discussed things that I felt were not kosher about Idol directly with other contestants. I can't imagine creating that sort of dissent in a more public fashion, it's ridiculous.

Date: 2007-12-09 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tulip-in-yellow.livejournal.com
Bitch!

*pulls your hair*

Ok ok, I'll stop. But man, the idea staging a whole cat fight between you and me made me laugh so hard I almost tinkled in my pants.

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Date: 2007-12-09 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ewok-626.livejournal.com
I think all of the "unknowns" are the best part of this competition. They keep us on our toes!

If people feel the need to have such a conniption, I think they need to step back and remember that this is just a game.

BTW Gary: you can breathe now. Rant much? *g*

Just shut up and write.

Date: 2007-12-09 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mme-furiosa.livejournal.com
Dayamn, people. Looks like I missed some um, juicy thread action this morning.

I am making my official statement here:

Yes, grammar matters. Yes, 'popularity' matters (in the sense that, it is a social game, too.) But for crying out loud, what are you here for?

So far, this has proven a safe and wonderful place to share, make new friends, and most of all, to WRITE. I like the perks, but really at the heart of the thing, this is a place for people who share a common love for the written word, for expression, and for sharing these things with a community.

I think that's pretty special. I'm tickled every week that I get to stay onboard. This is a great experience.

Any bad apples or sour-grapes folks need to reevaluate what this thing is about. There are plenty of places you can go online to flame-war your silly little opinions into oblivion. I hate for this to be about that.

So let's all play nice, bake each other cookies, hold hands and wait expectantly for the next round, okay?

Re: Just shut up and write.

Date: 2007-12-09 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superhappytime.livejournal.com
wait? grammar matters?

Date: 2007-12-09 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tulip-in-yellow.livejournal.com
If someone messes with you to the point that it rattles you

*laughing*

Oooh we could have a LJ Idol Fight Club! But only if everyone calls me Tyla.

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Date: 2007-12-09 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angstzeit.livejournal.com
And for the record: I'm in my usual place--totally out of the loop. :)

Date: 2007-12-09 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tulip-in-yellow.livejournal.com
Join the club. I'm just nosy enough to want to read this "filtered post" and watch people fight though.

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Date: 2007-12-09 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] n-decisive.livejournal.com
There's a lot here that I agree with and nothing that I don't. I may address that separately later. Currently, I have a pudgy Chihuahua nudging my hand because he wants the attention I'm giving the computer, so it'll have to wait.

It's fairly equal "talent wise" IMO but just on that one issue of surviving one more week...

For me, this statement helped a lot. I was already aware of what the challenges involved in a competition like this one. As a result, developed a way to self-assess aftter each round. While it's true that statistically speaking people in Tribe 4 have a greater chance of being eliminated, it's also true that not everyone in that tribe was placed there simply because they write well. I hadn't realized that, and it gave me some additional perspective on things.

Thanks, G. :)
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Date: 2007-12-09 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boundfate.livejournal.com
I am amazed by how seriously people are taking this. I've already seen a journal deletion and two or three very hurt comments.

This is a writing contest with no money or publishing contract on the line. I joined it to meet more people, write about things I wouldn't normally, re-learn how to follow a deadline in anticipation of going back to college, have my ideas challenged, and to learn more about the world and different perspectives on things. Hopefully I'll even get a few tips from better writers on how to express myself clearly. What I'm not expecting to do is win (I win just by having the experience) or to get overly upset about much; I will share my views passionately while understanding that you all should care about as much as I do about opinions of random internet people. I've shared some stuff that is pretty close to home for me. That said, I am the one who made the choice to share it and if people disagree or mock it, well, then that's how life works. It isn't worth being hurt over - I try to be confident enough in who I am and my beliefs to pull out valuable new ideas and discard the rest. I hope that all of you can do that as well - I've been in the place where what everyone else thought mattered a great deal and I can say with all honesty it is much better on this side of the fence.

For that matter, I've also been surprised with how nice everyone is being - in 150 different people I expect to disagree with almost all of you on one point or another and I am glad I'm finally starting to see some disagreement in the comments of posts. The difference is that I expect to disagree with ideas and viewpoints - not you as people. You may be pro-life and I pro-choice; that doesn't change my ability to respect you as a person, it just means I disagree with you on that issue. At most I may dislike one or two people and as an adult I am perfectly capable of avoiding them as needed. (Not that it has happened - just saying.) I value criticism, disagreement and vocal commentary as much if not more than posts that say 'good job." Expect to see such from me because I give what I want to receive.

This competition feels like it is finally getting more honest. I like that - I like seeing who people really are. I guess I just will never completely learn that who people are is sometimes easily offended.

Date: 2007-12-10 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twirlandswirl.livejournal.com
Wait, there's no monetary prize?

GARY, YOU LIED TO ME!

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Date: 2007-12-09 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ewok-626.livejournal.com
COME ON, PEOPLE. FOCUS ON THE IMPORTANT THING HERE.

THE STEELERS NEED TO WIN TODAY. ROOT HARDER! WAVE THOSE TERRIBLE TOWELS!!!
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It's all complete silliness.

Date: 2007-12-09 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tulip-in-yellow.livejournal.com
Y'know what's funny? I joined [livejournal.com profile] welfy's friends list at the end of the LJ Idol season last year. I didn't really read any of the other entries because I figured that with the size of her friends list, it was pretty much a sure bet that she'd win. I thought she was a good writer too, don't get me wrong. Now that I'm a participant, I still think the size of everyone's friends list plays a significant role in this whole competition (at least thus far in the competition) and I'm not sure how fair I think that is, but we can't change that aspect of the game so why make drama about it?

But really, I can kind of understand where drama would be brewing. This is a contest after all. And while I know that most of us joined because we love writing, think we might be good at writing, or want to know if others think we're good at writing. I still think that many of us are competitive (why would we join this sort of thing if we weren't competitive) and we all know that competing in this kind of social atmosphere is like a bubbling cauldron for drama.


Re: It's all complete silliness.

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Date: 2007-12-09 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnomeangel.livejournal.com
::puts hand up::

i know that i have vented in my own lj about a certain aspect of this season that was getting to me. i stand by that comment and it's consequences and i take heed of this post.

i think that this is a part of life, and therefore open to influences that play out in everyday life. unfortunately, just as war time leads to some of the greatest inventions and development, so to does drama. hopefully it all teaches us a little more about who we are as people. both, the good and bad.

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Date: 2007-12-09 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosepurr.livejournal.com
Wow. See what happens when I go away for a weekend!

Date: 2007-12-09 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] worldofcharlie.livejournal.com
*waves*...

Welcome back!!.. :)

Date: 2007-12-10 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imafarmgirl.livejournal.com
very well said. I vote for good writers. It's that simple. I don't vote for friends because they are friends nor people I like, I vote for quality writing no matter the subject.

Are you bringing back immunity or the power to remove someone and all that fun stuff?

Date: 2007-12-10 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lordrexfear.livejournal.com
This is a comment that says it is a comment. It contains no content other than being a comment. It doesn't care to be anything but a comment, do not pretend it is anything more than a comment.

Date: 2007-12-10 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spydielives.livejournal.com
You... COMMENTER you!

Stop generating threads that other people feel compelled to respond to with more nonsense!

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