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Welcome to the Work Room for Week 3.

I originally planned to have someone new here as a Mentor. But they needed a little more time, and this week of all weeks I didn't want to leave you hanging without some sense of guidance. Especially with this as the new topic http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/493182.html

Well, I could have - but I figured that I would be nice. So I invited Tea back for one more week. Thanks Tea for agreeing to help out!!

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Btw - That "10th tribe" I mentioned in today's Green Room is not the "tie-breaker" tribe. The 10th tribe is going to be formed by your own actions. The first 3 contestants to link thieir entries on each page of the topic thread will be moved to the new tribe. (unless they are in the tie-breaker tribe, in which case that bar moves accordingly) So it is completely your decision on who is, and isn't, going to be a part of the new tribe! I'm putting your future in your hands, let's see what you do with it!

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But that's not why we are here - Once again, here is Tea!!

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Ready for the biggest shock of the day?!

I’M MENTORING AGAIN.

I know, right? I bet you can’t believe it. Here’s what happened: I gave all the other potential mentors food poisoning so Gary had no choice.

The past couple of these things I’ve started with some good advice. So today I’m going to start with some bad advice.

One of the worst pieces of advice I know (and you probably know, too) is to “always expect the unexpected.” The problem with this is that if you go around expecting things, they are no longer technically unexpected. Even things like zombie walrus attacks. And then the things you gave up expecting to make room for expecting zombie walrus attacks, like eating scones and having to pay your rent, will suddenly be the unexpected things-- and you’ve now failed at this piece of advice.

Or something.

Perhaps a better piece of advice is this one from the Russian poet, Boris Pasternak.

”Surprise is the greatest gift which life can grant us.”

One thing that I do a lot of for fun is online writing-based roleplay. It’s a lot like dramatic improv, except it’s written down. One person writes what their character does or says, and then the next person writes their character replying. The most exciting thing about it, for me, is that sometimes, someone else’s character will do something I never expected. It will totally throw me for a loop, because of course, I have had the scene and how it will go planned out in my head.

The most important rule of roleplaying is not unlike the most important rule of improv: don’t contradict what your fellow players throw at you. Don’t deny it, don’t try to force it or shoehorn it into what you would rather it be. I was pretty bad at improv back in my high school drama club because there was this boy I had a crush on in the drama club, and I would try to turn all our improv scenes into excuses to make him rescue me from near death or something equally romantic (I thought!) like that. I didn’t contradict the rules I was given, but I tried to force it back into what I wanted it to be, and that wasn’t really much fun for anybody.

Since then, I’ve learned that the best thing to do, and the thing that is usually the most entertaining and fun, is to just roll with the punches. I mean, yes, this is probably a bad idea if the situation you were not expecting is a zombie walrus, but it is a pretty good idea if the situation you were not expecting involves writing on the internet.

In some ways, it can be a great inspiration to let your guard down even more and let your inhibitions go, do something you never thought you would do in a million years. It gives you an opportunity to go in directions that your own line of thinking wouldn’t have taken you in, or to use the opportunity to take the unexpected one step further.

Here are some questions for you to think about, and answer here if you like:
--Do you like surprises?
--What is your initial reaction to something unexpected? Does it change when you’ve had some time to think it over?
--What do you do when you get an Idol topic that confuses you or isn’t what you were expecting?
--What are some things you’ve come to expect from Idol so far? Is there anything you’re worried you might become complacent about?
--Are there things you’d like to see from your fellow writers that would be pleasant surprises?
--Think of some things you could do that you think would surprise your readers. Would your surprises be stylistic surprises? Subject matter surprises? Something else?
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Date: 2011-11-04 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emploding.livejournal.com
I have NO idea what the topic word means, and it's not in the dictionary.

This is gonna be fun :P

Date: 2011-11-04 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honeybeewriter.livejournal.com
It was a typo :)

coprolite
a stony mass consisting of fossilized fecal matter of animals.

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Date: 2011-11-04 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cacophonesque.livejournal.com
Gary--sure you didn't typo the topic? I think you meant "coprolite".

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Date: 2011-11-04 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honeybeewriter.livejournal.com
I am utterly at lost for this week. So much so that it's very tempting to take a bye...instead of waiting for December, when I have finals along with my husband, my sister and my birthday's in a 13 day span.

Date: 2011-11-04 02:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
Well, the topic literally just got posted. I would recommend sleeping on it!

Oh poo!

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Date: 2011-11-04 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daoming.livejournal.com
ok, i'm also lost. nothing's coming to mind right now. hm.....

this should be interesting :D

Date: 2011-11-04 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
Well, you have time! Think about the definition of the word and how many different ways you can take that.

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Date: 2011-11-04 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joyfulfeather.livejournal.com
Gary, you have serious issues.

Tea, I'm hoping to come back to your very interesting and insightful mentoring post when I can think about something other than "wtf is gary on?"

Date: 2011-11-04 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
It's funny because an early draft of this post had something about the "wtf" moment of a surprise.

Date: 2011-11-04 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ktdid525.livejournal.com
Seriously? This one is going to take some serious thought, because I have absolutely no idea what I am going to write about.

Date: 2011-11-04 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roina-arwen.livejournal.com
I think we're all up shit's creek without a paddle!

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Date: 2011-11-04 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ktdid525.livejournal.com
Expect things like "zombie walrus attacks" Did you hear Missouri put out a safety alert for hunters to beware of Zombies. It was basically an attention grabber to talk about hunting safety and such but man did it have people riled up.

Date: 2011-11-04 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honeybeewriter.livejournal.com
You might have just given me an idea. I have no idea if I can actually write a decent entry on this but mind if I try?

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Date: 2011-11-04 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emploding.livejournal.com
I'm thinking of taking the direction of not being so literal with the topic, but really, how abstract can you get but still be on topic when it comes to this sort of thing? lol

Date: 2011-11-04 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jessm.livejournal.com
Whatever direction you take it, you're going to end up with crap. *rimshot* ;)

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Date: 2011-11-04 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterbuns.livejournal.com
Hahahahaha, omg, Gary. Crappy writing on the way?

Date: 2011-11-04 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
I wonder if anyone will deliberately try to write crappy writing!

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Date: 2011-11-04 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rt-sparrow.livejournal.com
So in this situation, my first response is, "Oh, Shit!"

But it's actually appropriate here. So...

Date: 2011-11-04 03:01 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-11-04 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sonophax.livejournal.com
I find it very fitting that my first thought (and I imagine many other people's) was "AW, CRAP!" Cue terrible poo puns.

... largely because they're the only thing coming to mind at the moment! xD Hmmmm, time to brainstorm.

Date: 2011-11-04 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
Yes, it's a good time to sleep on it. Not the crap, obviously.
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Date: 2011-11-04 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
Abstract interpretations of the topic are always neat. It shows how people's minds work, for me-- what do they think of when they see the topic?

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Date: 2011-11-04 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belenen.livejournal.com
I have a good idea of what to write for this, but I fear it won't be very original... eeek. Should I stick to what I know I can do well, or try for something strange? but what if EVERYONE does something strange?

Date: 2011-11-04 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sonophax.livejournal.com
Then it will be their own stylized brand of strange! If it's -your- strange, then I think you can own it! :)

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Date: 2011-11-04 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampedvixen.livejournal.com
Do you like surprises?

I DO like to stretch the boundaries of my writing, so surprises are cool. Week 3 surprise is kinda crazy though! I can't wait to see what I'm going to write.. it'll surprise even me!

What is your initial reaction to something unexpected? Does it change when you’ve had some time to think it over?

In writing, I like it. In real life, it gives me anxiety. I guess it's cause my muse and I get along pretty well, so I feel like I have some ability to work with.. in real life, I always feel inadequate and when something surprising comes along I pretty much always think that it's THE. WORST. THING. EVER!

What do you do when you get an Idol topic that confuses you or isn’t what you were expecting?

Let it simmer on the backburner. One of the best things about my muse is it's ability to create something from nothing.. it's got so many plot bunnies for me that it's absolutely bizarre. I'm a really good thinker, it's my favorite part of writing. It's so much better than all the other paperwork. lol.


What are some things you’ve come to expect from Idol so far?
I haven't really gotten the hang of what's going to come out of Idol yet, so I'm not sure what to expect. About ANY part of it. heh.

Is there anything you’re worried you might become complacent about?
Not really. These people really seem to know what they're doing.

Are there things you’d like to see from your fellow writers that would be pleasant surprises?
I saw a list in the last challenge. That was cool. I really like lists. I think the only thing I read regularly is Cracked.com these days.

Think of some things you could do that you think would surprise your readers.Would your surprises be stylistic surprises? Subject matter surprises? Something else?
lol.. when I think of them, I'll let you know!

Date: 2011-11-04 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ktdid525.livejournal.com
I am glad you like lists because I did one, or sort of one this week :-)

Date: 2011-11-04 03:00 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] maerhys.livejournal.com
I immediately came up with a horror idea. Once a genre writer, always a genre writer. =D

Date: 2011-11-04 03:01 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-11-04 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snarkerdoodle.livejournal.com
omg -- hahahahahaha. What an awesome topic.

Mind you, I have *no* idea what I'll write for it yet, but I'm going to have a lot of fun thinking something up for this. ;)

Date: 2011-11-04 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
Excellent! It is cool to see the variety of responses, from "oh, no, what do I do?" to "THIS IS AWESOME!"

Date: 2011-11-04 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampedvixen.livejournal.com
Oh, coprolite!

Date: 2011-11-04 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liret.livejournal.com
I like good surprises! Like presents. I am always in favor of presents. I'm not much of a planner, so adapting to the unexpected isn't usually a big deal. It can throw me off a bit if I've been totally expecting something and then it changes. Like, you know, if I'm reading a book that's been about cute fluffy kittens and then suddenly they are all eaten by zombie walruses. And it's not that I think the book is bad now, or anything, but if I'd known that was going to happen I might have saved the book to read until I was really in the mood for zombie walrus horror.

I don't think I have any expectations for ljidol - by the second season I participated, I realized there's no guarantee how each one will go. It's less expecting the unexpected and more not expecting the expected.

. . . that made less sense then the zombie walrus paragraph, didn't it?

I'm always pleasantly surprised when someone has an approach to a topic I would never have thought of, or when a prompt has me afraid I'll be reading 250+ bitter rants and instead I find an impressive number of thought-provoking and stylistically balanced entries. I think I find at least a few pleasant surprises every week.

I'd be interested to know what I could do that might surprise people, but I don't really know if anyone has expectations when it comes to my entries.

Date: 2011-11-04 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
You could turn out to be a zombie walrus!

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Date: 2011-11-04 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sideofsilence.livejournal.com
I just want to say that I'm super excited about this topic. There doesn't seem to be a singular answer so I've already come up with a couple of ways to take it. I look forward to seeing how everyone else works through it as well!

Date: 2011-11-04 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
That's great. It's cool when there are multiple evident directions for a topic to go!

Date: 2011-11-04 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wholuvsya.livejournal.com
How does one go about taking a bye?

Date: 2011-11-04 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampedvixen.livejournal.com
I think it's done automatically. If the writer doesn't post anything by deadline, it's an automatic bye.

Though, it's probably better if you say that you're taking a bye. In the topic post, just say, "I'm taking a bye."

It's that simple.

However, I am going to suggest not doing it RIGHT away. Let the topic simmer in the back of your head for a while before jumping to the conclusion that you don't have anything to say. You'll be surprised what you come up with when you let your muse just play with an idea for a while.

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Date: 2011-11-04 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkertxkitty.livejournal.com
In general, I don't like surprises. Loud noises and sudden moves scare me and so things like surprise parties don't go over well. Surprise gifts bother me because they often come out of the blue and then I'm left wondering what important date I forgot and then I worry about not having something for the other person. I also don't like sudden changes in schedule; it usually means something important will be cut short, forgotten, or mishandled.

Unexpected things, however, I deal with fairly well. There is, frankly, no way to lead a predictable life when you're married to a systems administrator and lovers with one of the top profilers in the US. If there's time, I think it over as much as allowed and then make the best possible decision. If there's not, I go with what appears to be the best course of action at the time. Sometimes I change my mind and other times I know I made the right choice. I rarely think over the unexpected because it doesn't help; it's already happened and you can't change it. Might as well roll with the punches and see what's next.

In terms of Idol topics, I expect nothing and tend to be ready for everything just like with a composition class. You have a general idea of what's in store but can't know the specifics until you're given the assignment. I also find it comparable to being in journalism; you don't know what story you'll be sent out on but when you're assigned it you need to cover it to the best of your ability. I'll admit to having had to look up some of the topics in context or in a dictionary (like this week's) because the term or phrase is unfamiliar. Sometimes I get a better handle on it and other times I do the best I can.

The only thing I really expect from Idol any more is quality writing, early on. When I first started that wasn't always the case but the one thing I noticed this year was that I didn't have to discard too many entries for grammar, spelling, punctuation, or structural failure. It's also a fair bet that someone will play it through as the irritant or the troll, turning every topic into something which offends someone (I like those best, by the way; might not like the player much but the entries are usually super and on target). I've played the game various ways to see what works best and what doesn't and found it varies with the players. I'm never complacent because there's no way of predicting what comes next.

I'd like to see more people letting go and exploring the topic further without worrying what people will think. I like the new, the interesting tangent, the subtle working of an obscure application of the topic.

I've often wondered about doing a stream-of-consciousness post on a topic, without grammar or punctuation, like ee cummings. People seem to expect precise, vivid entries from me and I wonder how they'd see one which was so free form. However, the topic has not yet come along which has moved me to do so. That is not to say it won't, just that it hasn't.

Date: 2011-11-04 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
I think the point about worrying what people will think makes for an interesting discussion. This question is not just for you, but for everyone: how much does "will a topic appeal to people?" play into what you write?

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Date: 2011-11-04 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pen-name.livejournal.com
i've been researching "the uses of coprolites" and it's rather amusing to see what people have done with them.

i suspect there is fodder there.

Date: 2011-11-04 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampedvixen.livejournal.com
That is an excellent idea! I'd be surprised what uses there are...

I've been googling and youtubeing this topic.. there is some rather interesting stuff out there.

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Date: 2011-11-04 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] locknkey.livejournal.com
ROFLMAO!

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Date: 2011-11-04 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] locknkey.livejournal.com
Well your advice fits perfectly for what I plan to do with this topic. hee!

Date: 2011-11-04 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] impoetry.livejournal.com
When I have to look words up to even know what the topic is, you know Gary is up to starting trouble...

Date: 2011-11-04 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] n3m3sis42.livejournal.com
Glad it wasn't just me! I felt pretty stupid when I didn't even know what it was.

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