Green Room - Week 8 - Day 5
Jan. 7th, 2011 12:37 amJust when you thought "it's almost time for Second Chance Idol sign ups to be completed" something happens!
The deadline for sign up is now Saturday Jan 8th at 5pm EST - that's right, an hour *after* the main competition's deadline!!
What does this mean?? *shrug* I don't know. I just work here!
All I know is that it Phase 2 is shaping up to be a whole lot of fun!
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I was asked by a couple different people over the past 24 hours to clarify my position on "usage of alt journals".
http://community.livejournal.com/therealljidol/409711.html?thread=41345647#t41345647 is where you can find the original remarks on the subject. Or at least the ones from this season. :)
There were a few things that I wanted to make sure that I said in public.
1. I know who the Alts are. It's policy. If for some reason I *don't* know that you are operating an account other than your "main" one and participating in Idol - well, that's just leave at "I need to know this information if you want to participate".
Because I know who they are, I also have a pretty good idea why all of them are using alternate accounts. And most of them fall under that Turtletaub example I used before.
Good people, just taking a break from what they might "normally" do, or wanting to talk about things they might not normally discuss.
2. If you are going to friend people, you should probably have mentioned somewhere that you are an "alt" account/writing journal/whatever.
It's NOT policy because I really don't have much say in how you treat your friends.
I just think not telling people that you have something else out there - that they may have interacted with, and formed opinions about, heck, maybe posted a drunken rant about how much you suck two years ago when they met you at a party - from a personal standpoint, I wouldn't do it. Not saying "reveal yourself!!" but I am saying that a bit of a disclaimer, somewhere, might not be the worst idea.
If for some reason you can't do that and "keep character" or for a host of other reasons that are as long as my arm (and it's a decent length for an arm), like I said - that's your business. It's your journal and your life!!
3. My noted and disclosed *personal* "severe dislike" for alts comes in two forms. Because there are as many different "kinds of alts" as there are people using them. But they are:
- The idea of people using multiple alts, if it gets to the point of more of them than there are "actual people". I have no interest in running a competition for 5 people writing 20 accounts each. :)
I don't think any sensible person would, and although I'm not sensible, I happen to agree with that point.
One of the things that I love about the competition is getting to meet new people and seeing them grow as writers through the process. Seeing people play with alt accounts to explore other aspects - that's cool too.
But much like "The Great Fiction Debate" of season's past - I said that I never wanted to see it get to the point where it was more fiction than people talking about their lives and sharing their stories.
I like all of it - from the fiction to the personal essay aspects - mostly I think "the mix" is important.
This is one more element that is being thrown in. But much like with fiction, I want to see a healthy dose of people being who they are. If that can only be done in an alt account, for various reasons, OK. Not my preference, but hey, I'm sure it's not their preference for the state of their life either!
- One of the things that keeps Idol healthy, and interesting, is that people are constantly finding it through their friends. They read an entry and realize that it was written for this Idol thing, and go check it out. Or someone asks them to go vote - and they do a couple times without thinking too much about it, but then they have a couple extra minutes and start reading some of the other entries too. . . and realize that this is something that interests them. Heck, maybe they see a rec post and go "That entry by so and so sounds nifty keen! This is all neato!" (Because that's how your friends all talk. Admit it!)
Alts, operating in a friends list vacuum, aren't really adding to that current (or future) mix. So, too many of them and that group of new readers who come in and get excited to read *your* work, might not be there. Which is what makes it such a tricky balance, of providing and encouraging people to explore new outlets in their writing, and making sure that new readers are still being encouraged to find the that work!
Those are it. The two reasons that I, from a personal standpoint, am not a fan of alts as a general rule. It's more of a "from a practical side, it'skind of counterproductive from a macro view".
BUT - and here's the kicker, I think that they have their place and that there are folks doing some really cool stuff with their alts. It all depends on what they do with it, and how they manage to find that personal balance that still manages to not go into "alt overkill" and continue to bring in new readers for everybody!!
I'm sure there is more that I'm missing that people asked me about, but there's what I could remember! ;) Anything else people want me to clarify? :)
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So, um... how is that coffee? Or, how will it be - or whatever you say when you are trying to transition to "Hey, how are you doing?" basics to get people talking. :)
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The Topic for main competition is http://community.livejournal.com/therealljidol/409009.html
The Second Chance Idol sign ups are http://community.livejournal.com/therealljidol/408328.html
Just in case you've forgotten.
Because, after all, that's where the important stuff is happening!!
Go take a peek and read some entries - then come back and let other people know who they should be checking out! So easy even an "alt" can do it! :P
The deadline for sign up is now Saturday Jan 8th at 5pm EST - that's right, an hour *after* the main competition's deadline!!
What does this mean?? *shrug* I don't know. I just work here!
All I know is that it Phase 2 is shaping up to be a whole lot of fun!
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I was asked by a couple different people over the past 24 hours to clarify my position on "usage of alt journals".
http://community.livejournal.com/therealljidol/409711.html?thread=41345647#t41345647 is where you can find the original remarks on the subject. Or at least the ones from this season. :)
There were a few things that I wanted to make sure that I said in public.
1. I know who the Alts are. It's policy. If for some reason I *don't* know that you are operating an account other than your "main" one and participating in Idol - well, that's just leave at "I need to know this information if you want to participate".
Because I know who they are, I also have a pretty good idea why all of them are using alternate accounts. And most of them fall under that Turtletaub example I used before.
Good people, just taking a break from what they might "normally" do, or wanting to talk about things they might not normally discuss.
2. If you are going to friend people, you should probably have mentioned somewhere that you are an "alt" account/writing journal/whatever.
It's NOT policy because I really don't have much say in how you treat your friends.
I just think not telling people that you have something else out there - that they may have interacted with, and formed opinions about, heck, maybe posted a drunken rant about how much you suck two years ago when they met you at a party - from a personal standpoint, I wouldn't do it. Not saying "reveal yourself!!" but I am saying that a bit of a disclaimer, somewhere, might not be the worst idea.
If for some reason you can't do that and "keep character" or for a host of other reasons that are as long as my arm (and it's a decent length for an arm), like I said - that's your business. It's your journal and your life!!
3. My noted and disclosed *personal* "severe dislike" for alts comes in two forms. Because there are as many different "kinds of alts" as there are people using them. But they are:
- The idea of people using multiple alts, if it gets to the point of more of them than there are "actual people". I have no interest in running a competition for 5 people writing 20 accounts each. :)
I don't think any sensible person would, and although I'm not sensible, I happen to agree with that point.
One of the things that I love about the competition is getting to meet new people and seeing them grow as writers through the process. Seeing people play with alt accounts to explore other aspects - that's cool too.
But much like "The Great Fiction Debate" of season's past - I said that I never wanted to see it get to the point where it was more fiction than people talking about their lives and sharing their stories.
I like all of it - from the fiction to the personal essay aspects - mostly I think "the mix" is important.
This is one more element that is being thrown in. But much like with fiction, I want to see a healthy dose of people being who they are. If that can only be done in an alt account, for various reasons, OK. Not my preference, but hey, I'm sure it's not their preference for the state of their life either!
- One of the things that keeps Idol healthy, and interesting, is that people are constantly finding it through their friends. They read an entry and realize that it was written for this Idol thing, and go check it out. Or someone asks them to go vote - and they do a couple times without thinking too much about it, but then they have a couple extra minutes and start reading some of the other entries too. . . and realize that this is something that interests them. Heck, maybe they see a rec post and go "That entry by so and so sounds nifty keen! This is all neato!" (Because that's how your friends all talk. Admit it!)
Alts, operating in a friends list vacuum, aren't really adding to that current (or future) mix. So, too many of them and that group of new readers who come in and get excited to read *your* work, might not be there. Which is what makes it such a tricky balance, of providing and encouraging people to explore new outlets in their writing, and making sure that new readers are still being encouraged to find the that work!
Those are it. The two reasons that I, from a personal standpoint, am not a fan of alts as a general rule. It's more of a "from a practical side, it'skind of counterproductive from a macro view".
BUT - and here's the kicker, I think that they have their place and that there are folks doing some really cool stuff with their alts. It all depends on what they do with it, and how they manage to find that personal balance that still manages to not go into "alt overkill" and continue to bring in new readers for everybody!!
I'm sure there is more that I'm missing that people asked me about, but there's what I could remember! ;) Anything else people want me to clarify? :)
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So, um... how is that coffee? Or, how will it be - or whatever you say when you are trying to transition to "Hey, how are you doing?" basics to get people talking. :)
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The Topic for main competition is http://community.livejournal.com/therealljidol/409009.html
The Second Chance Idol sign ups are http://community.livejournal.com/therealljidol/408328.html
Just in case you've forgotten.
Because, after all, that's where the important stuff is happening!!
Go take a peek and read some entries - then come back and let other people know who they should be checking out! So easy even an "alt" can do it! :P
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Date: 2011-01-07 05:40 am (UTC)Ack, nowhere close! I thought I had a shot too!
Now onto the topic at hand. I think this is a perfectly good discussion, and it appears that SCI is really bringing out the alts? Or is that just my imagination? All I know is that I'm easily confused, and you could pretty much use the same username and I'd still be shocked to find out that you are one and the same.
I'm just glad to be able to post in a GR....and it appears fairly slow and I really need to be in bed. Extra early day tomorrow. Crap.
Yet I'm still here and I'm using run-on sentences on purpose. Someone put me out of my misery already...
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Date: 2011-01-07 05:46 am (UTC)All this talk about participation and alts and whatnot is giving me a headache. I think that Idol has taken on a life of its own, and that the game evolves based on the shifting membership and focus of its social community. And I have no doubt that that's a giant pain in the ass for the Guy Who Runs Things, and everyone else who is attached to their expectations for a given season, but maybe that's just how it is.
Yeah, nobody wants to think they've made a new friend when in fact they're interacting with an alt, and nobody wants to read or write in a game where there are a hundred entries and only five unique writers. But as much as Idol culture extols the virtue of "real" journals, and personal essays and "real life" sharing, I would argue that the stories we tell and the personae we don when portraying a character are just as valid and worthwhile and interesting as all the "real" stuff.
Besides, I hate being told what to do.
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Date: 2011-01-07 06:03 am (UTC)But I think it's easy to check for alt journals and be less open to friending them if you check a) the number of posts they have and/or b) the journal creation date. Oh! And their flist.
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Date: 2011-01-07 05:58 am (UTC)I think it makes sense to have an alt to try stuff you wouldn't normally do in your main account, but then reveal yourself later. I guess I can understand some circumstances of not wanting to reveal yourself, if you're talking about personal stuff and don't want to be personally identified with it.
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In other news, I am working on my music video today, for the first time in about a month, and really enjoying it. I'm playing with transitions for some stuff I want to put into it, which is also cool.
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Also, Gary, you realise that by extending the sign ups, you're possibly paving the way for more
peoplecurrent contestants to sign up to SCI under alt accounts, right? :Pno subject
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Date: 2011-01-07 06:25 am (UTC)Look! It is a baby who is dressed like a penguin! That is like an alt!
I like penguins because they can't fly, too. Look at those cute little stubby wings. There are really hands in there!
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Date: 2011-01-07 06:30 am (UTC)I might write about other things, but primarily I want to write about penguins.
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Date: 2011-01-07 07:32 am (UTC)Sleepy, enjoy talking about the meaning of life or whatever y'all.
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Date: 2011-01-07 08:50 am (UTC)Then again it was already past my bedtime and I was trying with all my heart not to fall face first into the calamari :shudder:
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Date: 2011-01-07 09:06 am (UTC)What can I say? I enjoy stretching my writing muscles for various reasons.
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Date: 2011-01-07 09:31 am (UTC)In other Idol news, I finally got my entry in for the week. Now I can have a relaxing and lazy weekend :D
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Date: 2011-01-07 10:12 am (UTC)We're going to 5 Guys and then just hanging out from there. :D
Weee!!!
~Sammy-Joe
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Date: 2011-01-07 01:00 pm (UTC)Mmmm, Five Guys!! Have some cajun fries for me :)
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Date: 2011-01-07 10:42 am (UTC)I've got quite enough on my plate keeping my expectations of who I am in order to bother dealing with trying to figure out if someone writing for Idol is writing as themselves or as some other charater, persona, whatever. I read the entries, decide if I like the writing and then vote. Am I over simplifying all of this?
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Date: 2011-01-07 11:11 am (UTC)Well, unless you count being in SCI and Home Gaming the main LJI at the same time. But I mostly do that because I'm batshit insane.
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Date: 2011-01-07 11:11 am (UTC)tonight.. tonight I think I will dream of schwertmannite and goethite and pyrite. Or maybe cheese. It is all ok :-)
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Date: 2011-01-07 11:57 am (UTC)Um...
Gotta get over to SCI signups.
Also, I'm doing awesomely. Just in case anyone was wondering. That's why I've been around less. Except the last couple of days, where I've had a cold, and that's why I've been around less.
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Date: 2011-01-07 12:13 pm (UTC)I'm also wary of friending alt journals for the same reason. Although I did friend
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Date: 2011-01-07 12:53 pm (UTC)Personally, I think some of the alts are fun. I have an idea for one myself that I would write in if time would allow. Unfortunately, I barely have time for this journal. I'm already slacking in some key elements of this game (not to mention just writing entries in time) and simply find that it would not be feasible to even attempt to do that with two journals.
In fact, I imagine that the alt would be completely unsuccessful due to that reason and my regular journal, like always, would suffer. Maybe life will calm down enough for me next season for that!;)
Meanwhile, I enjoy mocha cappuccinos...:)
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Date: 2011-01-07 12:59 pm (UTC)Then again, sometimes "alt" journals take on a life of their own and become real people *cough!* Pretty sure that's not the norm though.
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Date: 2011-01-07 02:07 pm (UTC)But this "alt" discussion goes back to the frequent online topic of how people can be totally different on the Internets than they are in Real Life.
The main way I get fooled, not because others are trying to deceive me but because i'm a visual thinker, is that I tend to think of people as their icon pictures. While I know it's wrong, even if I've seen you post actual photos of yourself, if you use, say, a popular actor for the default, I tend to think of you as resembling that person. Even with animal icons, I seem to think that way. (I do have friends that are Furries, so it's not so big a stretch.) I have to keep telling myself, most of us are NOT our icons.
Except that I do have it on good authority that
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Date: 2011-01-07 02:50 pm (UTC)I think there's going to be a soapbox shortage soon, the way Gary is going through so many this week. Maybe we should have one of those soapbox derby races? =)
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Date: 2011-01-07 03:56 pm (UTC)With The Mothership. She gets her leg worked on today. She's playing BlackJack on her phone while we wait. I'm playing LJ Idol. My game's more fun. Surgery isn't till noon, but there is all the prep work. CT of neck is done. Blood work now. It's like our own little RL ep of GRAY'S ANAT, but the people are less hot and the hospital room is smaller.
A yummy fish on a bun sandwich in the cafeteria calls my name once I'm on my own. AW
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