[identity profile] clauderainsrm.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] therealljidol
Just when you thought "it's almost time for Second Chance Idol sign ups to be completed" something happens!

The deadline for sign up is now Saturday Jan 8th at 5pm EST - that's right, an hour *after* the main competition's deadline!!

What does this mean?? *shrug* I don't know. I just work here!

All I know is that it Phase 2 is shaping up to be a whole lot of fun!

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I was asked by a couple different people over the past 24 hours to clarify my position on "usage of alt journals".
http://community.livejournal.com/therealljidol/409711.html?thread=41345647#t41345647 is where you can find the original remarks on the subject. Or at least the ones from this season. :)

There were a few things that I wanted to make sure that I said in public.

1. I know who the Alts are. It's policy. If for some reason I *don't* know that you are operating an account other than your "main" one and participating in Idol - well, that's just leave at "I need to know this information if you want to participate".
Because I know who they are, I also have a pretty good idea why all of them are using alternate accounts. And most of them fall under that Turtletaub example I used before.
Good people, just taking a break from what they might "normally" do, or wanting to talk about things they might not normally discuss.

2. If you are going to friend people, you should probably have mentioned somewhere that you are an "alt" account/writing journal/whatever.
It's NOT policy because I really don't have much say in how you treat your friends.

I just think not telling people that you have something else out there - that they may have interacted with, and formed opinions about, heck, maybe posted a drunken rant about how much you suck two years ago when they met you at a party - from a personal standpoint, I wouldn't do it. Not saying "reveal yourself!!" but I am saying that a bit of a disclaimer, somewhere, might not be the worst idea.

If for some reason you can't do that and "keep character" or for a host of other reasons that are as long as my arm (and it's a decent length for an arm), like I said - that's your business. It's your journal and your life!!

3. My noted and disclosed *personal* "severe dislike" for alts comes in two forms. Because there are as many different "kinds of alts" as there are people using them. But they are:

- The idea of people using multiple alts, if it gets to the point of more of them than there are "actual people". I have no interest in running a competition for 5 people writing 20 accounts each. :)

I don't think any sensible person would, and although I'm not sensible, I happen to agree with that point.

One of the things that I love about the competition is getting to meet new people and seeing them grow as writers through the process. Seeing people play with alt accounts to explore other aspects - that's cool too.

But much like "The Great Fiction Debate" of season's past - I said that I never wanted to see it get to the point where it was more fiction than people talking about their lives and sharing their stories.

I like all of it - from the fiction to the personal essay aspects - mostly I think "the mix" is important.

This is one more element that is being thrown in. But much like with fiction, I want to see a healthy dose of people being who they are. If that can only be done in an alt account, for various reasons, OK. Not my preference, but hey, I'm sure it's not their preference for the state of their life either!

- One of the things that keeps Idol healthy, and interesting, is that people are constantly finding it through their friends. They read an entry and realize that it was written for this Idol thing, and go check it out. Or someone asks them to go vote - and they do a couple times without thinking too much about it, but then they have a couple extra minutes and start reading some of the other entries too. . . and realize that this is something that interests them. Heck, maybe they see a rec post and go "That entry by so and so sounds nifty keen! This is all neato!" (Because that's how your friends all talk. Admit it!)

Alts, operating in a friends list vacuum, aren't really adding to that current (or future) mix. So, too many of them and that group of new readers who come in and get excited to read *your* work, might not be there. Which is what makes it such a tricky balance, of providing and encouraging people to explore new outlets in their writing, and making sure that new readers are still being encouraged to find the that work!

Those are it. The two reasons that I, from a personal standpoint, am not a fan of alts as a general rule. It's more of a "from a practical side, it'skind of counterproductive from a macro view".

BUT - and here's the kicker, I think that they have their place and that there are folks doing some really cool stuff with their alts. It all depends on what they do with it, and how they manage to find that personal balance that still manages to not go into "alt overkill" and continue to bring in new readers for everybody!!

I'm sure there is more that I'm missing that people asked me about, but there's what I could remember! ;) Anything else people want me to clarify? :)

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So, um... how is that coffee? Or, how will it be - or whatever you say when you are trying to transition to "Hey, how are you doing?" basics to get people talking. :)


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The Topic for main competition is http://community.livejournal.com/therealljidol/409009.html
The Second Chance Idol sign ups are http://community.livejournal.com/therealljidol/408328.html


Just in case you've forgotten.
Because, after all, that's where the important stuff is happening!!

Go take a peek and read some entries - then come back and let other people know who they should be checking out! So easy even an "alt" can do it! :P
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Date: 2011-01-07 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Can I join second chance Idol at the same time as normal idol? :D

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Creating Paradoxes

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From: [identity profile] millysdaughter.livejournal.com
I am the only one that still says neato.

Date: 2011-01-07 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sra33.livejournal.com
I say spiffy, that count? :D

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Date: 2011-01-07 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pixiebelle.livejournal.com
First?

Ack, nowhere close! I thought I had a shot too!

Now onto the topic at hand. I think this is a perfectly good discussion, and it appears that SCI is really bringing out the alts? Or is that just my imagination? All I know is that I'm easily confused, and you could pretty much use the same username and I'd still be shocked to find out that you are one and the same.

I'm just glad to be able to post in a GR....and it appears fairly slow and I really need to be in bed. Extra early day tomorrow. Crap.

Yet I'm still here and I'm using run-on sentences on purpose. Someone put me out of my misery already...
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Date: 2011-01-07 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comedychick.livejournal.com
Of the curent 50 sign ups, it looks like there are 9 new alts and 4 old ones (I think all the old ones are people who have identified their main journals, if only to their friends, but have at least identified themselves as alts).

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Date: 2011-01-07 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gratefuladdict.livejournal.com
You're really burning the midnight oil this week!!

All this talk about participation and alts and whatnot is giving me a headache. I think that Idol has taken on a life of its own, and that the game evolves based on the shifting membership and focus of its social community. And I have no doubt that that's a giant pain in the ass for the Guy Who Runs Things, and everyone else who is attached to their expectations for a given season, but maybe that's just how it is.

Yeah, nobody wants to think they've made a new friend when in fact they're interacting with an alt, and nobody wants to read or write in a game where there are a hundred entries and only five unique writers. But as much as Idol culture extols the virtue of "real" journals, and personal essays and "real life" sharing, I would argue that the stories we tell and the personae we don when portraying a character are just as valid and worthwhile and interesting as all the "real" stuff.

Besides, I hate being told what to do.

Date: 2011-01-07 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comedychick.livejournal.com
Well, they could just join an online RPG if that's what interested them ;)

But I think it's easy to check for alt journals and be less open to friending them if you check a) the number of posts they have and/or b) the journal creation date. Oh! And their flist.
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Date: 2011-01-07 05:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comedychick.livejournal.com
I just had a thought about this. If someone with an alt account, eg [livejournal.com profile] theafaye with [livejournal.com profile] a_cheese_fan, reveals themselves... if a person has been following them with the alt account, but not the main account, it might also generate interest in their other stuff. I don't know. What do other people think?

I think it makes sense to have an alt to try stuff you wouldn't normally do in your main account, but then reveal yourself later. I guess I can understand some circumstances of not wanting to reveal yourself, if you're talking about personal stuff and don't want to be personally identified with it.

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In other news, I am working on my music video today, for the first time in about a month, and really enjoying it. I'm playing with transitions for some stuff I want to put into it, which is also cool.

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Also, Gary, you realise that by extending the sign ups, you're possibly paving the way for more people current contestants to sign up to SCI under alt accounts, right? :P
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Date: 2011-01-07 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigrkittn.livejournal.com
I suspect that giving current contestants more chance to jump ship is the point of the extended deadline.

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Date: 2011-01-07 06:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen-pepita.livejournal.com
Image

Look! It is a baby who is dressed like a penguin! That is like an alt!

I like penguins because they can't fly, too. Look at those cute little stubby wings. There are really hands in there!

Date: 2011-01-07 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yako.livejournal.com
I am an alt and I am writing about penguins :D

I might write about other things, but primarily I want to write about penguins.

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I'm a fictional character. Which is like an alt, because it implies that someone, somewhere, must have created me. But as part of the purpose of my existence is to confirm where, exactly, fiction ends and a "real world" (if any) starts, it could be turtles all the way down for all I know.

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Date: 2011-01-07 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweeny-todd.livejournal.com
I don't do coffee. Tastes awful! What I have done today though is right about iron minerals. I kinda like iron minerals. Lucky, really.

Date: 2011-01-07 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onda-bianca.livejournal.com
Have you tried mocha or caramel or other such cappuccinos. Those are tasty and not coffee like at all...;)

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Date: 2011-01-07 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] creature-girl08.livejournal.com
WOW, fell asleep in my chair for about three hours. So not good. Guess this means I should head off to bed rather then hang around doing internet stuffs. UGH!

Sleepy, enjoy talking about the meaning of life or whatever y'all.

Date: 2011-01-07 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xo-kizzy-xo.livejournal.com
Well, my department had its belated Christmas dinner at a somewhat fancy restaurant last night. It was kind of surreal compared to other dinners we've had, and I'm not sure why.

Then again it was already past my bedtime and I was trying with all my heart not to fall face first into the calamari :shudder:

Date: 2011-01-07 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onda-bianca.livejournal.com
Fancy can be fun once in awhile...:)

Date: 2011-01-07 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theafaye.livejournal.com
Well I'm one of those non-sensible people with more than one alt. Same policy as with cheese - I'll do a reveal at some point and if anyone asked me outright, I'll reveal (but PM only please).

What can I say? I enjoy stretching my writing muscles for various reasons.

Date: 2011-01-07 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comedychick.livejournal.com
I think that's a good policy to have. And the PMs in particular, I think that should go for anyone wanting to guess an alt, regardless of whether the person alting wants to reveal themselves. Could be awkward to accidentally (or deliberately) out someone in public before they're comfortable outing themselves.

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Date: 2011-01-07 09:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xo-kizzy-xo.livejournal.com
OK, gotta run, guys -- I have to be at work in a half hour!

:blows kisses:

Date: 2011-01-07 10:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sra33.livejournal.com
*catches kiss* *bats eyes*

Date: 2011-01-07 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaguelyclear.livejournal.com
I quite like the idea of having an alt journal for posting/competing because I imagine it's quite freeing. I don't agree, though, with using alt journals to mislead people or spy on people by making the alt journal seem like a legit. one, which I think has happened before? I know if that ever happened to me, I probably wouldn't want to play in Idol anymore (not that I have anything remotely worthy to spy on, mind you). Or I'd just flat-out refuse to friend any Idolers, which would suck.

In other Idol news, I finally got my entry in for the week. Now I can have a relaxing and lazy weekend :D

Date: 2011-01-07 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mstrobel.livejournal.com
BY THE WAY this is not my main journal ;) I'm very open about that, just I don't publicize what my main LJ actually is. Definitely willing to add friends from one to the other though, once I know people a little better :)

Date: 2011-01-07 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigrkittn.livejournal.com
That's funny- I've seen mstrobel around so much for so long I definitely thought you were a "main journal". But then, there are probably people who think the same about me.

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Date: 2011-01-07 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sra33.livejournal.com
Today! Super excited! I get to see one of my long-time LJ friends! I just so happen to be down here in SC right now, and she lives about 2hrs away, which is too close not to go visit. So visit I am!

We're going to 5 Guys and then just hanging out from there. :D

Weee!!!
~Sammy-Joe

Date: 2011-01-07 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigrkittn.livejournal.com
*Waves to you from NC*!

Mmmm, Five Guys!! Have some cajun fries for me :)

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Date: 2011-01-07 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamaraland.livejournal.com
I confess to being really confused by everything going on with the alts and whatnot. That and I feel like a really cranky old woman, thinking to myself "Where do these people get all this free time to do all this alt journaling anyway???"

I've got quite enough on my plate keeping my expectations of who I am in order to bother dealing with trying to figure out if someone writing for Idol is writing as themselves or as some other charater, persona, whatever. I read the entries, decide if I like the writing and then vote. Am I over simplifying all of this?

Date: 2011-01-07 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweeny-todd.livejournal.com
haha! I know I am barely managing to write with the one I have!

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Date: 2011-01-07 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quoting-mungo.livejournal.com
For a while I was considering posting my Idol entries to [livejournal.com profile] icq_comic, where the characters are from, rather than my personal journal. That's the closest I've been to alting in LJI.

Well, unless you count being in SCI and Home Gaming the main LJI at the same time. But I mostly do that because I'm batshit insane.

Date: 2011-01-07 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweeny-todd.livejournal.com
ok! I am about to turn in for the night. It has been an incredibly full on week _ I can't believe that it is only the first weekend back! I have read the first page of the entries (yay!) since I don't think I will have much online time this weekend... I do want to try and read them all this time. That one before christmas.. that was just an embarrassingly poor effort!

tonight.. tonight I think I will dream of schwertmannite and goethite and pyrite. Or maybe cheese. It is all ok :-)

Date: 2011-01-07 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cacophonesque.livejournal.com
I'm too lazy at this point to have an alt. But I am wary of befriending alt journals, just because I do actually make the effort to be friends with my flist, and I don't want to waste energy on fictional personas (though I am aware that I cannot guarantee those people I've not met on my flist are real live people).

Um...

Gotta get over to SCI signups.

Also, I'm doing awesomely. Just in case anyone was wondering. That's why I've been around less. Except the last couple of days, where I've had a cold, and that's why I've been around less.

Date: 2011-01-07 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comedychick.livejournal.com
Yes, why haven't you signed up yet? :P

I'm also wary of friending alt journals for the same reason. Although I did friend [livejournal.com profile] jack_batelin last season, but I wanted to follow that story. *shrug* At least I knew it was fictional.

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Date: 2011-01-07 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onda-bianca.livejournal.com
Wow, this was posted way early. Or late.

Personally, I think some of the alts are fun. I have an idea for one myself that I would write in if time would allow. Unfortunately, I barely have time for this journal. I'm already slacking in some key elements of this game (not to mention just writing entries in time) and simply find that it would not be feasible to even attempt to do that with two journals.

In fact, I imagine that the alt would be completely unsuccessful due to that reason and my regular journal, like always, would suffer. Maybe life will calm down enough for me next season for that!;)

Meanwhile, I enjoy mocha cappuccinos...:)

Date: 2011-01-07 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drjeff.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm always amazed by people who can maintain an extra persona. I barely have time to be ME. :)

Date: 2011-01-07 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigrkittn.livejournal.com
I don't usually befriend alt journals, though I've made exceptions. I'm cautious with them because I rarely friend someone just to read them in Idol, it's always because I think we might become friends. I feel kind of like an idiot when I find out someone I thought was really cool is actually someone else pretending to be someone different.

Then again, sometimes "alt" journals take on a life of their own and become real people *cough!* Pretty sure that's not the norm though.

Pay no attention to the man behind the lemur

Date: 2011-01-07 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beldar.livejournal.com
Just wanted to make it clear that while my SCI introduction was in the voice of my default icon, it's not meant to infer that my writings will all be from an alt POV. It's not Lucky's LJ, it's mine. To be honest, he prefers it that way; this was the first time he's posted in the nearly six years of the journal. My muse hijacks the account from time to time, but she has a distinctive icon and signs her entries. Usually it's just me.

But this "alt" discussion goes back to the frequent online topic of how people can be totally different on the Internets than they are in Real Life.

The main way I get fooled, not because others are trying to deceive me but because i'm a visual thinker, is that I tend to think of people as their icon pictures. While I know it's wrong, even if I've seen you post actual photos of yourself, if you use, say, a popular actor for the default, I tend to think of you as resembling that person. Even with animal icons, I seem to think that way. (I do have friends that are Furries, so it's not so big a stretch.) I have to keep telling myself, most of us are NOT our icons.

Except that I do have it on good authority that [livejournal.com profile] tigrkittn is actually a yellow tabby.

Re: Pay no attention to the man behind the lemur

Date: 2011-01-07 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comedychick.livejournal.com
I totally look like my default icon. I am a cartoon version of myself ;)

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Date: 2011-01-07 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roina-arwen.livejournal.com
I posted my entry yesterday evening - w00t!

I think there's going to be a soapbox shortage soon, the way Gary is going through so many this week. Maybe we should have one of those soapbox derby races? =)

Date: 2011-01-07 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amazingwriter23.livejournal.com
PAWs (Pets of AmazingWriter23), find boxes, climb inside. Kitties win! 

Date: 2011-01-07 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amazingwriter23.livejournal.com
Morning. I'm in the hospital.

With The Mothership. She gets her leg worked on today. She's playing BlackJack on her phone while we wait. I'm playing LJ Idol. My game's more fun. Surgery isn't till noon, but there is all the prep work. CT of neck is done. Blood work now. It's like our own little RL ep of GRAY'S ANAT, but the people are less hot and the hospital room is smaller.

A yummy fish on a bun sandwich in the cafeteria calls my name once I'm on my own. AW

Date: 2011-01-07 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snarkerdoodle.livejournal.com
I hope everything goes well for her today! :)

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Date: 2011-01-07 04:17 pm (UTC)
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What a beautiful kitty!!! I want to snuggle him.

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