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Tribal Council - Merge Tribe 2
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clauderainsrmWelcome back to Tribal Council. Line up your torches in the back and take a seat.
I'll bring in the members of the Jury.
jenwithapen, bittyjane, megatronix, impoetry, n3m3sis43, minikin25 and wolfden, voted out at the last tribal council.
They are here to gather information only. They will have a big decision to make at the end of the game, and what you saw and do here will play into that.
Let's get started.
bsgsix - Congratulations on your second immunity win. There was a lot of talk at the last tribal council about how you could end up running the table with immunity wins and get to the end. Which, is possible. But what I didn't see mentioned is that it doesn't guarantee victory. You could get the voters on your entries but not win over the support of your fellow contestants. Someone else could easily say "I never had immunity. I had to work harder to get here." How do you navigate that aspect? Winning challenges without risking alienating the people who will ultimately be making the decision on who wins this game?
lawchicky819 - You were on the hot seat last time, and if the talk can be believed about how people are making their decisions, you are on the hot seat once again this time around. Is there anything you can say at this point to sway the undecided to keep you around? What are the advantages that might not be immediately on someone's mind?
murielle - You've said several times that you don't want to "pick off the weak". The original Asaga tribe has gone from being dominant to now being down in numbers. Does that mean you aren't going to be sending one of them home this week? Can an original Luzon be expecting to see their name on your parchment? Or is that decision going to be based on week to week, regardless of other bonds in the game?
adoptedwriter - There was talk last week about "wanting to keep the entertaining people around" to keep things interesting as the game progresses. Is that something you think about when you are responding to these questions?
bleodswean - In a regular season of Idol, and even during the mini seasons over here at DW, vote totals have been a lot higher for most people. Do you think that since no one is eliminated directly due to votes that it impacts the "get out the vote" aspect? Only the person with the most votes benefits with immunity, so anyone else who might otherwise be fighting for every vote doesn't bother? Do you think that will change the closer we get to the end, when people feel less "safe"?
eeyore_grrl - Last week the vote ended up being split between the two people with the fewest number of votes, with some scattered among random members of the tribe. If that ends up happening again - that means you are a target. How do you shift the target off yourself, knowing that you are also in their sights?
gunwithoutmusic - Back in Borneo, Dr Sean had his "alphabetic strategy" where he would vote for people in alphabetical order. Part of that is that he wanted to be seen as "a good guy" and it kept him from alienating anyone. But "coincidentally" everyone from the original Pagong tribe had names in at the front of the alphabet. Do you think the "vote for the lowest" might change once the person with the lowest number of votes is a member of the original Luzon tribe?
swirlsofpurple - How much of the decision on who to vote for is already made before you come here, and how much of a factor are the answers you are hearing? How important is it to "read the room" in trying to make sure you are on the right side of the numbers?
halfshellvenus - Your name showed up on a ballot last week. How does it feel to see that, especially when it's the first vote? Would it be better to be voted out and see it coming, or for it to be a blindside?
alycewilson - In the conversation of "fairness" vs "threat" - if you end up going home would you rather it be because people thought it was "fair" to vote you out, or would you rather them get rid of you because they saw you as a threat to their plans to win to the game?
flipflop_diva - What were your biggest takeaways from the last tribal council?
Round Two
alycewilson - I'm so glad to see you writing poetry again. It feels like there is an entire "class" of Idol participants who don't know this side of you. I was wondering who would go with this take for the prompt, and in retrospect, I probably should have put money on it being you. Other people have mentioned other lines, so I'll skip those and go right for " as steadfast as her love for us, born in that splashy decade", there's so much captured here of a time remembered, and lost. A memory you can enter whenever you want, but where your current self does not belong. The connections are obvious, as is why you went with this particular image. So instead I'll ask you why you decided to go with poetry? What was it to said this should be told in that format, rather than prose?
swirlsofpurple - The idea of a funeral set in the future was as interesting in itself as the character studies were. It's a simple idea, but I can't recall having read, or even thought too much about it before. I kept going back and forth on it as I read. But then that ending hit. My jaw literally dropped and Cynthia had to ask what was going on because I just started chuckling. Setting it in the future was one of those things that could have caused more problems than it solved, by having to explain too much and distract for the narrative - I think you managed to strike a decent balance, but why was that important to you?
gunwithoutmusic - I'm really glad to have seen the update in the comments. I hope that things continue to head in a good direction. It was a gut punch to read, and I'm sure even more of one to actually live. The emotional strain on mental states, and relationships, during the pandemic is something I'm sure is going to be studied for years to come. Which doesn't make it any better to know that other people are also going through it, but I hope it makes you feel a *little* less alone. Last week you said you were taking a break from your "walk in the woods" stories, but even though you never left your house, this was very much in the same spirit of introspection. What was it like to find the narrative beats - not in an old memory, which a lot of people do - but in something you are experiencing in real time?
lawchicky819 - That story. Wow. That story. :D I'm always interested in seeing the thought process to why someone picked a particular tale to tell. Was this the first thing you want about when you saw the prompt or did you have to narrow down your choices? Given your answer to the last question asked though, and this entry, how does "I'm done enabling people who don't want to be helped in a real way." come into play?
flipflop_diva - So you're saying that I've wasted the last couple of decades? What are I am supposed to do now with this giant hole in my backyard? The mole men I've befriended are going to be very disappointed to learn that we can't get to China... This was a charming look into that moment in time when everything was possible. Unless adults distracted you with candy to sabotage your dreams! I've noticed that when people post non-fiction, they always include pictures. What do you think works better - including them at the end or interspersed throughout the story?
murielle - I started reading this and went "Wait.. it's going there????" before realizing that it was a nightmare. The heart of this seems to be the moments in between actually digging into what her Aunt Bev left behind, the every day human interactions as she prepares to dig into the past. They are framed between the fear of what can be and the promise of what it is come. What is it about those moments, those chatting with people, and taking the time out to eat McDonalds, that speak to you? Why are they important to include between the digging scenes?
bleodswean - Sometimes I worry about you. ;) Your dark imagery continues to delight: "Those you buried beneath the rotting oak leaves... wrap yourself around their empty bones", but maybe that says more about your readers than it does you. ;) The scream of an old life ending, to wrapping yourself around death, it's quite the cycle. You stated the this started as something else, but morphed into something else, like someone transforming into a dark creature. I'm curious where that starting point was and when you started to realize that the idea was changing shape.
adoptedwriter - I loved the rhythm of this, how the structure was broken up into different repeating beats. Just glancing at it before the first read I thought it was going to be poetry, but quickly realized my mistake. I like how you played with it. There's some really good moments in this. I liked that the main "dig" (her digging in) was something that I missed the first read through. Which sounds like a weird compliment, but I like that I missed that you had used the word, but knew that was where the prompt had come in. It was only when I reread that I noticed you had put the word in there... the last sentence's use on the other hand was a little too "on the nose" for me with the usage. The first two lines though really nail where you are going with this though and it carries through the piece really well. I'm curious, did you think of the incident first as "digging in" or were you thinking of the "groovy buttons" book and worked your way back from there?
eeyore_grrl - Other people have already mentioned both of the lines that I was originally going to mention. So I'll go with something different and mention the impact of "and gifted it to me with her own self." It was found, worked, loved and made into something much greater than just glass. It became part of the protections from her, keeping those spirits at bay. Your work is always great, and listening to it just makes it better. Your Mother liked it - which, of course she did, it was great. But since this is question time - what would you have done if she hadn't? Or, if her reaction had been more "It's OK"
NOTE - I'm getting an error message when I try to add more questions here. So I added the last two from the second round in the comments)
Third round - I'm just going to throw a question out there and whoever wants to answer them can do so:
You've seen lawchicky's pitch for why she should stay. Does seeing someone clearly want to stay in the game have any impact on you at all? As opposed to seeing people say "I'm over this format" or "this is a strain on me"... this is someone who wants to keep going. Does that make you go "We need to keep her?" OR "Anyone who wants to play this game needs to go?"
Does anyone else want to make a pitch about why THEY should stay?
***
"bsgsix - Do you want to give your immunity to someone else, or are you keeping it? "
"No, I’m going to hold onto my immunity again. It’s a safe move at the moment. If it’s time to vote - I’m ready!"
***
Alright then. Unless anyone has anything else. *looks around, no one says anything*
Ok. It's time to vote. Head on up to the voting urn and write down the name of the person you would like to eliminate from this game (and then send that to me at clauderainsrm@gmail.com by Tuesday, Jan 12th at 5pm ET)
If you have a hidden immunity idol, or any other special power, and would like to play it, tell me that in your email.
I'll bring in the members of the Jury.
jenwithapen, bittyjane, megatronix, impoetry, n3m3sis43, minikin25 and wolfden, voted out at the last tribal council.
They are here to gather information only. They will have a big decision to make at the end of the game, and what you saw and do here will play into that.
Let's get started.
bsgsix - Congratulations on your second immunity win. There was a lot of talk at the last tribal council about how you could end up running the table with immunity wins and get to the end. Which, is possible. But what I didn't see mentioned is that it doesn't guarantee victory. You could get the voters on your entries but not win over the support of your fellow contestants. Someone else could easily say "I never had immunity. I had to work harder to get here." How do you navigate that aspect? Winning challenges without risking alienating the people who will ultimately be making the decision on who wins this game?
lawchicky819 - You were on the hot seat last time, and if the talk can be believed about how people are making their decisions, you are on the hot seat once again this time around. Is there anything you can say at this point to sway the undecided to keep you around? What are the advantages that might not be immediately on someone's mind?
murielle - You've said several times that you don't want to "pick off the weak". The original Asaga tribe has gone from being dominant to now being down in numbers. Does that mean you aren't going to be sending one of them home this week? Can an original Luzon be expecting to see their name on your parchment? Or is that decision going to be based on week to week, regardless of other bonds in the game?
adoptedwriter - There was talk last week about "wanting to keep the entertaining people around" to keep things interesting as the game progresses. Is that something you think about when you are responding to these questions?
bleodswean - In a regular season of Idol, and even during the mini seasons over here at DW, vote totals have been a lot higher for most people. Do you think that since no one is eliminated directly due to votes that it impacts the "get out the vote" aspect? Only the person with the most votes benefits with immunity, so anyone else who might otherwise be fighting for every vote doesn't bother? Do you think that will change the closer we get to the end, when people feel less "safe"?
eeyore_grrl - Last week the vote ended up being split between the two people with the fewest number of votes, with some scattered among random members of the tribe. If that ends up happening again - that means you are a target. How do you shift the target off yourself, knowing that you are also in their sights?
gunwithoutmusic - Back in Borneo, Dr Sean had his "alphabetic strategy" where he would vote for people in alphabetical order. Part of that is that he wanted to be seen as "a good guy" and it kept him from alienating anyone. But "coincidentally" everyone from the original Pagong tribe had names in at the front of the alphabet. Do you think the "vote for the lowest" might change once the person with the lowest number of votes is a member of the original Luzon tribe?
swirlsofpurple - How much of the decision on who to vote for is already made before you come here, and how much of a factor are the answers you are hearing? How important is it to "read the room" in trying to make sure you are on the right side of the numbers?
halfshellvenus - Your name showed up on a ballot last week. How does it feel to see that, especially when it's the first vote? Would it be better to be voted out and see it coming, or for it to be a blindside?
alycewilson - In the conversation of "fairness" vs "threat" - if you end up going home would you rather it be because people thought it was "fair" to vote you out, or would you rather them get rid of you because they saw you as a threat to their plans to win to the game?
flipflop_diva - What were your biggest takeaways from the last tribal council?
Round Two
alycewilson - I'm so glad to see you writing poetry again. It feels like there is an entire "class" of Idol participants who don't know this side of you. I was wondering who would go with this take for the prompt, and in retrospect, I probably should have put money on it being you. Other people have mentioned other lines, so I'll skip those and go right for " as steadfast as her love for us, born in that splashy decade", there's so much captured here of a time remembered, and lost. A memory you can enter whenever you want, but where your current self does not belong. The connections are obvious, as is why you went with this particular image. So instead I'll ask you why you decided to go with poetry? What was it to said this should be told in that format, rather than prose?
swirlsofpurple - The idea of a funeral set in the future was as interesting in itself as the character studies were. It's a simple idea, but I can't recall having read, or even thought too much about it before. I kept going back and forth on it as I read. But then that ending hit. My jaw literally dropped and Cynthia had to ask what was going on because I just started chuckling. Setting it in the future was one of those things that could have caused more problems than it solved, by having to explain too much and distract for the narrative - I think you managed to strike a decent balance, but why was that important to you?
gunwithoutmusic - I'm really glad to have seen the update in the comments. I hope that things continue to head in a good direction. It was a gut punch to read, and I'm sure even more of one to actually live. The emotional strain on mental states, and relationships, during the pandemic is something I'm sure is going to be studied for years to come. Which doesn't make it any better to know that other people are also going through it, but I hope it makes you feel a *little* less alone. Last week you said you were taking a break from your "walk in the woods" stories, but even though you never left your house, this was very much in the same spirit of introspection. What was it like to find the narrative beats - not in an old memory, which a lot of people do - but in something you are experiencing in real time?
lawchicky819 - That story. Wow. That story. :D I'm always interested in seeing the thought process to why someone picked a particular tale to tell. Was this the first thing you want about when you saw the prompt or did you have to narrow down your choices? Given your answer to the last question asked though, and this entry, how does "I'm done enabling people who don't want to be helped in a real way." come into play?
flipflop_diva - So you're saying that I've wasted the last couple of decades? What are I am supposed to do now with this giant hole in my backyard? The mole men I've befriended are going to be very disappointed to learn that we can't get to China... This was a charming look into that moment in time when everything was possible. Unless adults distracted you with candy to sabotage your dreams! I've noticed that when people post non-fiction, they always include pictures. What do you think works better - including them at the end or interspersed throughout the story?
murielle - I started reading this and went "Wait.. it's going there????" before realizing that it was a nightmare. The heart of this seems to be the moments in between actually digging into what her Aunt Bev left behind, the every day human interactions as she prepares to dig into the past. They are framed between the fear of what can be and the promise of what it is come. What is it about those moments, those chatting with people, and taking the time out to eat McDonalds, that speak to you? Why are they important to include between the digging scenes?
bleodswean - Sometimes I worry about you. ;) Your dark imagery continues to delight: "Those you buried beneath the rotting oak leaves... wrap yourself around their empty bones", but maybe that says more about your readers than it does you. ;) The scream of an old life ending, to wrapping yourself around death, it's quite the cycle. You stated the this started as something else, but morphed into something else, like someone transforming into a dark creature. I'm curious where that starting point was and when you started to realize that the idea was changing shape.
adoptedwriter - I loved the rhythm of this, how the structure was broken up into different repeating beats. Just glancing at it before the first read I thought it was going to be poetry, but quickly realized my mistake. I like how you played with it. There's some really good moments in this. I liked that the main "dig" (her digging in) was something that I missed the first read through. Which sounds like a weird compliment, but I like that I missed that you had used the word, but knew that was where the prompt had come in. It was only when I reread that I noticed you had put the word in there... the last sentence's use on the other hand was a little too "on the nose" for me with the usage. The first two lines though really nail where you are going with this though and it carries through the piece really well. I'm curious, did you think of the incident first as "digging in" or were you thinking of the "groovy buttons" book and worked your way back from there?
eeyore_grrl - Other people have already mentioned both of the lines that I was originally going to mention. So I'll go with something different and mention the impact of "and gifted it to me with her own self." It was found, worked, loved and made into something much greater than just glass. It became part of the protections from her, keeping those spirits at bay. Your work is always great, and listening to it just makes it better. Your Mother liked it - which, of course she did, it was great. But since this is question time - what would you have done if she hadn't? Or, if her reaction had been more "It's OK"
NOTE - I'm getting an error message when I try to add more questions here. So I added the last two from the second round in the comments)
Third round - I'm just going to throw a question out there and whoever wants to answer them can do so:
You've seen lawchicky's pitch for why she should stay. Does seeing someone clearly want to stay in the game have any impact on you at all? As opposed to seeing people say "I'm over this format" or "this is a strain on me"... this is someone who wants to keep going. Does that make you go "We need to keep her?" OR "Anyone who wants to play this game needs to go?"
Does anyone else want to make a pitch about why THEY should stay?
***
"
bsgsix - Do you want to give your immunity to someone else, or are you keeping it? ""No, I’m going to hold onto my immunity again. It’s a safe move at the moment. If it’s time to vote - I’m ready!"
***
Alright then. Unless anyone has anything else. *looks around, no one says anything*
Ok. It's time to vote. Head on up to the voting urn and write down the name of the person you would like to eliminate from this game (and then send that to me at clauderainsrm@gmail.com by Tuesday, Jan 12th at 5pm ET)
If you have a hidden immunity idol, or any other special power, and would like to play it, tell me that in your email.
