Green Room - Week 11 - Day 10
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"It's a twist!"
Whenever I watch M. Night Shyamalan movies these days, I hear that line from Robot Chicken, that seemed to mark the line between the time when public opinion turned on him so well.
The twist on "The Happening" of course was that people showed up expecting a good movie and got that instead. ;)
I haven't seen any of his more recent work, but last night we ended up watching Signs, which I hadn't seen in years.
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I remember when it came out, and people were talking about "the alien movie" and how disappointed they were, much like they were with "the monster movie" The Village.
It always struck me as "interesting" how many people would accept the movie's premise on face value, and not realize that it was going to be about something else entirely. (Spoiler: Signs is about faith)
They would set themselves up for disappointment, when all they wanted was a mindless summer blockbuster, and "the twist" would take them by surprise. Again, and again - until most of that group just ended souring on the writer/director all together and stopped going to see his stuff.
He ended up getting himself cast in the role of the guy with "the twist ending".
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What have your work been cast in? What well do you find yourself going back to, that people "expect" from it? How can you shake them up? Do you even want to?
The poll will be up until tomorrow - so remember to get out there and show some love and support! http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/682110.html
Whenever I watch M. Night Shyamalan movies these days, I hear that line from Robot Chicken, that seemed to mark the line between the time when public opinion turned on him so well.
The twist on "The Happening" of course was that people showed up expecting a good movie and got that instead. ;)
I haven't seen any of his more recent work, but last night we ended up watching Signs, which I hadn't seen in years.
stop
I remember when it came out, and people were talking about "the alien movie" and how disappointed they were, much like they were with "the monster movie" The Village.
It always struck me as "interesting" how many people would accept the movie's premise on face value, and not realize that it was going to be about something else entirely. (Spoiler: Signs is about faith)
They would set themselves up for disappointment, when all they wanted was a mindless summer blockbuster, and "the twist" would take them by surprise. Again, and again - until most of that group just ended souring on the writer/director all together and stopped going to see his stuff.
He ended up getting himself cast in the role of the guy with "the twist ending".
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What have your work been cast in? What well do you find yourself going back to, that people "expect" from it? How can you shake them up? Do you even want to?
The poll will be up until tomorrow - so remember to get out there and show some love and support! http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/682110.html
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Date: 2013-08-11 02:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-11 02:50 pm (UTC)Yeah, that's really the crux of it -- if you're happy with what you're writing, and the readers are happy with what they're reading, that's what matters.
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Date: 2013-08-11 03:43 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2013-08-11 03:14 pm (UTC)Also war and despondency.
For doing the Russian lit things your stories have been upbeat.
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Date: 2013-08-11 05:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-11 10:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-11 02:48 pm (UTC)I'd like to think that folks here haven't categorized or pigeonholed me yet ... but maybe I'm sustaining a pattern after 11 weeks. (Lord knows I've been trying to avoid a pattern, but it's hard to escape your own narrative voice.) So, you tell me -- how would you describe what you've seen so far?
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Date: 2013-08-11 05:22 pm (UTC)This is a really good question, but one I'm having trouble answering coherently. You've got a super range on your writing - you seem comfortable writing in all kinds of genres and styles and voices. You do dialogue super well. I don't know - I personally think you've done a good job avoiding categorization, as I can't seem to categorize your stuff!
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Date: 2013-08-11 10:33 pm (UTC)FWIW, your "Cards on the Table" entry is my favorite of yours. The dialogue was brilliant, and the way it all led up to the twist at the end was perfectly executed.
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Date: 2013-08-11 03:08 pm (UTC)His movies don't insalt ones intellect.
If you don't want to think go to an action movie or a romantic comidy.
Personally I do not know what people expect.
I just come up with characters those them into a situation and see what they end up doing.
I am oftain surprised with the outcome.
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Date: 2013-08-11 03:42 pm (UTC)I just reviewed what I've written this season and I'm pleased to see that I have poetry, short fiction, and short non-fiction in fairly equal proportion. What people probably expect from me more than they expect from others is some kind of religious/faith or mommy theme, since those two things constitute over half of what I've written this season. My goal each week is two-fold: 1) not to repeat any major aspect of what I've done in the last piece, 2) to tell a story I've never told or convey an idea in a way I've never approached. That's kept my writing fresh for me (and for others, I hope).
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Date: 2013-08-11 04:48 pm (UTC)As for the twist ending thing and possibly cheesing off readers who expect X and get Y...that's the other edge of the sword when you start consistently doing a certain type of post. The up side is you build a rep for being the [insert genre here] writer, and if people tend to like the way you do [insert genre here], then you've found a consistent market for your stuff (I say market for lack of a better word - in this particular market, the currency is poll votes, because that's what you need to earn (or beg for :p) in order to stay alive.) The down side is that if you stray from doing what people have started coming to you for, you risk making your readers feel like they've been betrayed or baited-and-switched. I had a post at one point that, while it had comedic elements, was more serious minded and emotionally raw than what I normally post, and I almost didn't post it. Part of it was just that I hate opening up, was worried the post sucked, and all the usual anxieties and misgivings a lot of us have when we stray from our comfort zones, but another huge fear was that, even if the post didn't suck in its own right, I'd still disappoint and thus annoy readers who showed up expecting X and got Y. Even if Y is a perfectly valid type of post in Idol that tends to do reasonably well in the polls, a person who consistently posts X suddenly popping off with Y could go any number of ways - including KABOOM in the writer's face. The post did just fine in the polls, and I breathed a huge sigh of relief, but when I've had people blatantly tell me they save my posts for last or read mine first because they want to start or finish their reading with something they know will be light\goofy\silly, it sort of sets up that whole double-edge thing. On the one hand, I'm super thrilled and excited that someone thinks I'm consistent and enjoyable enough as a writer for them to make a comment like that (and the super thrilled and excited is about 95% of my reaction, NGL.) On the other hand though, I do worry about what a reader might feel like if they think they're going to a comedy showcase and they get blindsided with Srs Bzns instead.
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Date: 2013-08-11 05:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-11 05:15 pm (UTC)Thank you for saying this so I didn't have to try to put words together to do it. :)
Need caffeine!!!!
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Date: 2013-08-12 07:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-11 05:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-12 07:29 am (UTC)I will try to take this thread into consideration next time I'm considering quasi-personal post, because challenging myself out of my comfort zone is something I want\need to do, but boring everyone to death with a "my issues, let me show you them" post is decidedly NOT on my Idol bucket list.
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Date: 2013-08-12 02:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-12 07:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-11 05:00 pm (UTC)My efforts at "shaking people up" come in the weird fiction itself - that's where I tackle and subvert expectations or reverse archetypes or generally do the things that, well, make it weird.
So here's a question: is there something different that you folks would like to see me do?
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Date: 2013-08-11 05:56 pm (UTC)I love your stuff, you are on my short list of favorites week after week!
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Date: 2013-08-11 10:42 pm (UTC)What I find most amazing about your writing is you take these bizarre, abstract concepts - ones that should theoretically be difficult to even concretely imagine let alone clearly communicate to another person - and convey them in your stories in a way that's not only clear as a bell and easy to understand, but downright enthralling to read about. Your worlds always make this odd sort of sense, even if it's a seemingly nonsensical world or completely off the wall concept that should theoretically defy both sense and description, and it's just like..."how the fuck did she *do* that?!"
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Date: 2013-08-11 05:08 pm (UTC)I also did some deliberate self-pigeonholing when I wrote almost ALL fiction in Season 8 (except for, like, three pieces total) because I just way prefer fiction over nonfiction. I like how I relate to the audience through fiction better. The nonfiction I did in Season 8 had to be a bit of a surprise, too. I did mostly okay with it (got through the Gatekeepers on a nonfiction piece!), though one of the pieces I wrote the week I got eliminated was nonfiction.
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Date: 2013-08-11 05:26 pm (UTC)And yeah, one can always count on you for novel approaches to a prompt and unique ideas. This is a good thing!
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Date: 2013-08-11 10:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-11 05:10 pm (UTC)Also, Signs sucked, regardless of what it was about.
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Date: 2013-08-11 10:49 pm (UTC)Kindle question
Date: 2013-08-11 05:11 pm (UTC)Who in here has a Kindle?
Which one do you have?
Do you like it?
Why or why not?
TYVM.
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Date: 2013-08-11 05:51 pm (UTC)Re: Kindle question
Date: 2013-08-11 06:07 pm (UTC)Re: Kindle question
Date: 2013-08-11 06:38 pm (UTC)Re: Kindle question
Date: 2013-08-11 07:00 pm (UTC)Re: Kindle question
Date: 2013-08-11 08:55 pm (UTC)Pros:
+ the e-ink screen is super easy to read
+ the controls are nice and intuitive
+ it is super lightweight, and easy to carry around, even with a case
+ the battery life is amazing. I leave the wifi off except when I'm syncing to get new
books or magazines and I charge it once every two weeks.
+ You can charge it from the wall or from your computer, and either method is nice and easy.
Cons:
- It is *only* an e-reader, really. There's an experimental web browser, but it tends to crash things. If you want it to do anything other than read books, you're out of luck
- Magazines look a lot better on my tablet (on which I have the kindle app) and the touch screen controls make more sense for reading magazines, I think. It's easier to skip around in the table of contents, and you can see the artwork as it was meant to be seen.
- Ditto with .pdf files. I've got a bunch of .pdf crochet patterns on my kindle, and they are WAY easier to read on the tablet than the actual e-ink device.
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Date: 2013-08-11 09:13 pm (UTC)Re: Kindle question
Date: 2013-08-13 01:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-11 06:11 pm (UTC)I do occasionally do other things, just to shake things up a bit. It was really well received when I did humor in the past, But that genre is difficult for me, even though I did enjoy the hell out of writing it. :) I do want to shake things up, because I don't wanna be a one-note writer, either. :)
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Date: 2013-08-11 08:28 pm (UTC)And on a random note I got a kitten! OMG he is so cute! :D
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Date: 2013-08-11 08:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-11 08:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-11 09:03 pm (UTC)Sweet baby kitty! Congrats. :)
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Date: 2013-08-11 09:07 pm (UTC)Thanks! He is so adorable. :D
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Date: 2013-08-11 09:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-11 09:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-08-12 02:22 pm (UTC)Congrats
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Date: 2013-08-12 03:48 pm (UTC)Late commenter league: Twisted in the wind
Date: 2013-08-12 12:45 am (UTC)When I did write entries (and when I do again in Season 9) I try to pick up the gem and look at a different facet. I think I've pleasantly surprised a few people that way, but those who have read me before I'm sure look for the twist or "punchline" now. So, the trick when the formula gets predictable (if you don't feel like shaking it up) I think is to write well enough that the reader enjoys the ride anyway.
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Date: 2013-08-12 03:35 am (UTC)I miss fiction and semi-fiction, but I think getting back to my basics did me a lot of good this time around.
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Date: 2013-08-12 12:49 pm (UTC)