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Green Room - Week 7 - Day 3

An interesting discussion popped up yesterday, one that I (professionally) will be interested in seeing how it continues to develop. The discussion of personality types came up, and in the end there was a question that cut to the heart of the matter: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/669780.html?thread=68222804#t68222804

"I wonder which type(s) have a harder time deciding who to vote for, vote or don't vote according to super strict or totally lax criteria, are hardcore about voting, and so on. "

How does your personality type interact with Idol?

I know that with the assessment profiles that I deal with, that I've definitely seen a difference in how certain types act and react. But, with the standard Myers-Briggs? I think it will be fascinating to see the breakdown.

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Speaking of breakdowns - don't have one. The deadline is fast approaching, faster than it will take Rick Perry to get people to say "Wendy Who?" ! http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/669409.html

Enjoy your 4th of July!

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Frist?

I think I'm INTJ, or at least I used to be. I imagine that at least the I part prohibits me from making friends as easily as some of my extroverted friends. I also tend to be a little reserved in responding early in discussions.

For voting, maybe my T takes over, because grammatical errors in a piece can be a deal breaker even if the feelings are pure. I kind of feel embarrassed to admit this, but I can blame the fact that I dated a writer for a couple years for that. He was very much a stickler for good grammar. I always get paranoid about that kind of stuff now as a result.

Man, the pain killers are working well tonight. I apologize if this is at all nonsensical.

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OH FOR FUCKS SAKE. I tried to edit my comment and deleted it instead. Wow, so smooth! *headdesk*

Here's the version I still have on my clipboard, which is missing a bunch of parenthetical analytical bullshit, which is probably for the best.

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Well I suppose now I need to respond to this :P

I'm ENTP.

I don't really have any super strict DO OR DIE criteria for voting, because there's an exception to just about every rule, but I'm definitely with

favoritebean in the Grammar Slammer department. Stylistic choices and a few typos are no big deal at all, but if the mechanical errors are so pervasive they make the piece hard to read, then game over. Also agree with

favoritebean that this likely relates to Thinking - "Your grammar sucked! No vote for you!" as opposed to "Your grammar sucked but...OMG TEH FEELZ *_* " I can usually figure out a few sentences into a piece whether or not I'm going to like it, but I don't agonize over votes unless I've got a limited amount I can give. Regular old open polls - if I like the piece, I vote for it, and if I don't, then I don't. If it's a fairly weak piece by someone who normally does stuff I like, I'll vote to keep them in. As far as voting hard-coreness: I try to make sure I read everything, or at least give everything a chance (if it doesn't grab me, I'll X out once I realize I don't like it), but if I just get uber crunched and don't have time to read, I'll vote for myself and my favorites rather than forgo voting. I think this may be an iNtuitive "big picture\look to the future" thing - come at it from an angle of "Who do I want to see stay in the competition?" (obvs me and the people I enjoy reading) as opposed to "I don't know which specific entries are the best this week, therefore I won't vote." Or maybe I'm just being a self-serving ass. That's always a good possibility. #SlytherinPride

I got a tie between ESFP (extroverted, sensing. feeling, perceiving) and ISFP. Although in general I don't consider myself an extrovert (except maybe in the GR), I think that personality type ("The Entertainer") does fit me better. The description is "The Entertainer: radiates attractive warmth and optimism. Smooth, witty, charming, clever. Fun to be with. Very generous. 8.5% of the total population."

As far as how that affects my voting habits, I tend to give entries the benefit of the doubt. Unless it is contestant only / we can only vote for X number of folks, I usually vote for about 40-55% of the entries in any given week. If I can't relate to an entry in some manner, it probably won't get a vote. If it meanders / rambles too much (I don't mean a length issue, so much as a technical issue) it probably won't get a vote. Beyond that, and general grammatical things, I don't have too many rules about votes. Make me laugh, cry, groan, or shiver - you'll probably get my vote. I'm simple like that.

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Could somebody please explain to me how the home game is played?
Do I link to my entry in the comments of a random green room, or to that weeks challenge post, mentioning that mine is a home game entry?

Just peeking in and noting that by all appearances I am living.
For better or worse as that be.
I'm a little lurker
Short and stout
here is my wifi
here is my clout
If I get all steamed up
I might shout
here I am you cant shut me out.

Happy Fourth to my fellow 'mericans! Except for the one now living in the house with two other people :p

I'm working bright and early today after closing last night :D At least it's until noontime. My feet are starting to bother me again, just like the people at PT predicted. The knees, however, have been holding up!

I didn't get a chance to participate in the Myers-Briggs thing yesterday. I tend to be E/INFJ/P, and the E/I and J/P scores tend to fall squarely smack between the two. A career counselor said it meant that I can go either way at any time, depending on a number of factors. I always took that to mean I was rather dizzy (who, me?!?), but now I can see the beauty of it: I give a lot of leeway in a lot of things. I tend not to hold fast to one absolute "thing" unless I've had the proverbial good/bad experience over and over again. I see more shades of gray than most people I know IRL.

ETA because I'm now home from work: I've never been able to stick to a spreadsheet. I vote as I read along. Whether that has anything to do with my Myers-Briggs, I have no idea.

It's good and bad -- good is the flexibility and not holding fast; bad because I see so many possibilities that I sometimes I cannot make a decision for the life of me. And no, I'm not a Libra either.

It does get dizzying sometimes.

Oh...how does this relate to voting? Again, I give a lot of leeway. I'm not going to nitpick on your technicalities. As I said in a previous GR, I'm more interested in your stories and how well you tell them :)

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I'm an INTJ. I always get scored as one on the quiz thingies and I've also taken the full MBTI (a few years ago because of a professional thing I was doing) and was an INTJ on that. :)

theun4givables and I are both INTJ's and our voting processes are totally different. Our criteria, from what I can tell, are fairly similar.

If you're wondering about the processes, let's just say I don't keep spreadsheets. I read all the posts and then I vote afterward based on all the impressions in my head. I'll look back at each post as I vote to remind me how I felt about it when I read it originally and then click stuff where I feel it appropriate.

theun4givables is a spreadsheet queen.

As far as my criteria (I'll let her speak to her own), I care about how I felt about the piece more than anything else. If it was really good, I usually don't even remember what the topic was. If I'm on the fence, then I will think about the topic connection. If it was really creative (and I see the actual connection), I will often vote for the piece even if I didn't enjoy it as much as some others. If the piece was just okay to me and 30 other people wrote about the same general thing, not so much.

(that's all my "judging" stuff)

Then there's the touchy-feely crap. If I normally like your work but your piece is shaky (to me) this week, I will probably vote for it. If I love you as a person, but your piece is shaky to me this week, I will probably vote for it (until it gets real close to the end and then I'm super judgey). If I normally don't like your work but I see improvement, I will vote for it even if it doesn't knock me dead. If people hadn't done that for me, I would have been knocked out pretty early in s8, I'm sure.

In s8 (my first/more or less only season), I used to try really hard to comment on everything that resonated with me in some way, or showed improvement, or made me think. Now, I focus on reading everything and that's it. Sometimes I don't leave any comments. I feel bad about that.

The laxness (laxity? I'm too sleepy to look it up) of my voting definitely is affected by my mood. I have horrible PMDD and if voting falls during it, I will like things I wouldn't normally and I will probably also have a lower tolerance for quirks or whatever else that annoy me.

Okay, I'm off to write (not an LJI entry) now. :)

Yesterday I tested ESFP, this morning ENFP. The n/s are 50/50 for me. The others are solidly on the side chosen. I am pretty sure at 85% the E isn't moving. Hubby is INTJ. As for voting, I am lucky that I have the time to read all the entries. If an entry evokes strong feelings or resonates with me in some ways the name goes down on my list to vote. Your entry might get my vote one week, but not the next. After reading everyone else, I would say that my voting style is pretty similar to

roina_arwen.

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Apparently I am ISFJ and for the most part I think it fit me. I have no idea how it might affect voting though.

When it comes to my voting criteria it's kind of all over the place and hard for me to pin down. I will definitely vote for it if it strikes a cord in me. Making me laugh automatically means you get my vote. If I've liked your stuff in the past but the entry doesn't click with me one week I will probably vote for you.

I just really read through everything and when I vote I open the entries up one by one and try to think about if I liked it or not. It's not efficient and a spreadsheet would probably help but I love doing things the hard way. :P

n3m3sis43 said above, I am a spreadsheet queen. I swear by it. It makes the voting process easier for me, especially since I read those who posted in the topic thread first after I'm done writing my entry and have it posted.

I'd say I'm pretty hardcore about voting, but I try to give everyone a fair chance. I do start out reading everything. In the beginning of a season where there's a lot of fucking people, you have three paragraphs-ish. Maybe not even that. If I've developed a liking for you, I stick it out longer. If I'm not interested/bored already/already angry about how you started your entry, n, move on. I'm a slow reader and we don't have a lot of time as it is. But I DO give everyone's entry a chance.

If you pass the first three paragraphs-ish test, I usually finish the piece unless it drags and I get bored, then again with the n. Things that immediately pull me out are grammar errors. I can overlook a few, as long as they don't hamper how the piece is read, but if there's a bunch of them? Yeah, I'm not sticking it out. N. If I want to backbutton but tell myself to hold out a little longer, you're likely getting an n, too, unless your ending is amazing.

If I'm feeling pretty neutral about a piece after I finish reading it, you're likely still getting an n. Even if you are a favorite writer of mine. If it's a piece by someone I don't typically like/get through their piece all the way through, then I might give it a y, because it showed me improvement and I like rewarding that.

I have to be actively engaged with your piece the whole way through to give it a y. If it makes me cry, y. If it makes me laugh out loud and more than once, y. If it makes me think and I liked how it made me think instead of making me feel guilty for something, y. Interesting, odd use of the topic that I can see the connection for, and I enjoyed the piece but may have been a little underwhelmed by it? Y. Really good piece but no topic connection? Probably an N, unless it was THE BEST work out of everything posted (so far, at the time of it being read).

...I am very judgey, okay? There are very few people who consistently get my vote (aside from me voting for myself, lol, I always vote for myself). Even my favorites put out things that underwhelm me at times and I give them an N. My voting spread changes from week to week, definitely.

INTP here. I'm an "Architect," apparently! My voting criteria is pretty disorganized, though I've recently begun using spreadsheets. My basic criteria is "do I like this or not?" If I like it, I'll click the little clicky box or put a "y" in my spreadsheet. I think I'm a lot pickier than some voters. If a person I like writes something I really do NOT like, I'll sometimes have a little moral dilemma about whether I should vote for them to keep them in or not.

In terms of what types of entries I like and don't like, I tend to prefer fiction over nonfiction (in what I write as well as what I vote for). Cool and interesting ideas are neat, and I prefer a less "standard" take on the topic, sometimes. I've vulnerable to Idol Topic Fatigue, where if a bunch of people do the same take on the topic, I'll start dismissing the entries with that take. I'm not a poetry person, though I have voted for some poetry. (And my first-ever Idol piece was a poem about zombies, go figure.) Horror often doesn't do it for me, and very "emotional" pieces will generally NOT get my vote. I'm not much into sentimentality, and I do not like feeling emotionally manipulated (not all emotional pieces do that, but some have). I'm not a big lover of "purple prose" stuff. I AM a big lover of stuff that makes me laugh.

Of course, there are exceptions to the things I like and dislike -- it's not like I've never voted for a very emotional or sentimental piece, for example. :)

Apparently I'm

INFP - "Questor". High capacity for caring. Emotional face to the world. High sense of honor derived from internal values. 4.4% of total population.

It changes though, I'm pretty sure. I go between emotional and rational all the time.

As for voting, I vote and interact when I can. I'll first forego commenting, then I'll forego voting altogether if I don't have the time to get through everything in the end. I do place my "placemat vote" for myself right after the polls go up (or I see them), so I can keep an eye on them. In general, I do vote for myself because heck, if I don't want to keep myself in the competition, why should I even submit an entry and expect others to like it/vote for it?

As for what I vote for - I have to like the story. I tend to favour fiction over non-fiction, and I tend to prefer elaborate stories or stories that give off a "vibe" or particular feeling. Especially melancholy, eerieness, surnatural. English not being my first language I give some leeway for grammar/spelling, but since I still test on a C2 level in English I do pay attention to it. For both fiction and non-fiction I like things that make me think, make me cry, make me laugh, in other words, don't leave me indifferent. If I finish a piece thinking "oh well", it would only get my vote if it was from someone I appreciate a lot and they happen to have an off-week.

I hope that made sense.

I tested as an ISTP (I think) yesterday, but it said my most hated careers would be musician or writer, and I love the creative fields so... (or course the highest percentage was my I at 69)

A lot of the questions on that test were subjective to me. Of course, I'm a Gemini, so how I act depends entirely on my situation. (In fact I was thinking of writing my entry on how hard it is to do therapy right now, because I have so many conflicting personality traits, and trying to understand what are actual character traits and what are behaviors I acquired in order to protect myself....)

As for voting, it's usually a week by week thing. I do try to switch up how I read so I don't get reading fatigue and not vote for something just because I'm tired of reading. I do tend to give people who have been really good in the past a bit of a break.

That said, anyone want to brainstorm with me on this week's entry? I have to write it tonight, as I work tomorrow

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kathrynrose is offline until her internet is fixed. She also said she'd received someone's draft to beta, and everything went down before she had a chance to open it.

I suspect tomorrow would be the earliest it'd be fixed, but given it's a sort-of holiday weekend...? Anyway, I'm crossing fingers for her.

and now I have two entries written, anyone want to help me choose?

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I'm an ISFJ - the Nurturer. If I want to see a writer keep going in Idol, I'll most likely vote for them week to week - my votes are pretty consistent unless someone does something either incredibly amazing or incredibly not-amazing. Also a Grammar Stickler, as well as anti-Wall Of Text, although I haven't run into that problem much here! No idea how this all ties into my personality type, but I do become attached to people and want to see them do well and go far in Idol if I like them and get attached to their work.

Anyone else really struggling with this week's topic? I've still got nothin'.

I'm INFP, with occasional ventures into ENFP in my more extroverted moods.

INFPs are known as idealists. I think that if you pay attention to my Idol angst, you would know that I am quite idealistic about Idol and reading and voting. ;)

Basically - I will vote for anything that is good and related to the topic. I don't do spreadsheets. I just have the poll open in a tab, and I open the entries in tabs, and I read them, and then I either close them if a scan shows awkward sentences and lack of flow and flat uninteresting characters, or I read the full thing. Then I click the little box if I decided to vote for that entry, close the tab, and open up the next group of entries.

When I am participating, I feel that it is my moral duty to at least physically load each entry and give it a scan. I would feel like a horrible icky unhonorable person who sucks and who should probably not be alive if I didn't do that.

I'd also feel immoral if I wasn't completely open to everything - fiction, nonfiction, poetry, whatever. I don't care. I only care that it's well-written and interesting and sincere. I just feel like....it's extremely immoral to close yourself off to people based on stupid things like genre or form. People are here opening their souls to you. Least you can do in return is to be as open as you can possibly be to receiving their soul.

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